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That's what I'm thinking. He's got 2024 Gold Cup written all over him.
They can send 3SL for the BANC this season. He's a bit of a boat so that'll suit nicely
Under rated horse I reckon
3 grade 1’s already and fairly good excuses for his 2 defeats. He’s beaten other horses along the way that have less excuses.
Under rated horse I reckon
3 grade 1’s already and fairly good excuses for his 2 defeats. He’s beaten other horses along the way that have less excuses.
It's probably already been said on here but that Drinmore field was very good and he's beaten them comfortably. I loved the way he's learned from his debut and think he's got a high ceiling. Impressed.
It's probably already been said on here but that Drinmore field was very good and he's beaten them comfortably. I loved the way he's learned from his debut and think he's got a high ceiling. Impressed.
What I would say is
Gaillard du mesnil apparently looked big in the parade ring and will surely then come on for the run
Banbridge didn't run his race
the fav Three stripe life saddle slipped and had to be pulled up
As good as he was, how strong was the race?
I guess we will find out in the coming months
Last edited by FinalFurlong91; 7 December 2022, 05:37 PM.
His race ended when clouting one down the back and landing awkwardly, pulled up after that. Can't really judge him on that, he was going ok until that point.. Also I'm sure Gordon was throwing a hood on a lot of his at the festival last year.
edit: Quevega beat me to that one
Hope you are right Brookside (& Quevega) as I have put him in a couple of small stakes multiples so I would like to prove myself wrong. I did note on the stewards report from the day of The Supreme that he ran into the rail on his way down to the start which again is a worry. Let's hope he has matured and behaves himself (just to clarify I do mean Mighty Potter and not Quevega ).
Gaillard du mesnil apparently looked big in the parade ring and will surely then come on for the run
Banbridge didn't run his race
the fav Three stripe life saddle slipped and had to be pulled up
As good as he was, how strong was the race?
I guess we will find out in the coming months
It looked a high class Drinmore beforehand but it's fair to look and see if those in behind underperformed.
Authorised Art and El Barra are solid 150 horses and they were beat out of sight.
I liked Banbridge before the race but I'm not convinced he didn't run to form. The ground may not have been ideal but he still ran a cracker with good horses behind him.
It looked a high class Drinmore beforehand but it's fair to look and see if those in behind underperformed.
Authorised Art and El Barra are solid 150 horses and they were beat out of sight.
I liked Banbridge before the race but I'm not convinced he didn't run to form. The ground may not have been ideal but he still ran a cracker with good horses behind him.
Would banbridge have liked the ground that soft? He's won on soft in the past but his improved form has been on decent ground.
Gdm is much better over 3 miles+
El barra and Authorised Art are decent horses but knowhere near grade 1 standard. Grade 3/high class handicappers.
You'd expect them to be beaten out of sight in any grade 1 Galopin would've beaten el barra by 100 lengths in the turner's had he stood up
Feel me free to ignore me though I very much enjoy picking as many holes in form as I can
I'd even be a little worried about him jumping around an undulating track like Cheltenham with the way he almost fell on landing twice
I just like to pick as many holes as I can in any horse/race
Last edited by FinalFurlong91; 7 December 2022, 06:31 PM.
Would banbridge have liked the ground that soft? He's won on soft in the past but his improved form has been on decent ground.
Gdm is much better over 3 miles+
El barra and Authorised Art are decent horses but knowhere near grade 1 standard. Grade 3/high class handicappers.
You'd expect them to be beaten out of sight in any grade 1 Galopin would've beaten el barra by 100 lengths in the turner's had he stood up
Feel me free to ignore me though I very much enjoy picking as many holes in form as I can
I'd even be a little worried about him jumping around an undulating track like Cheltenham with the way he almost fell on landing twice
I just like to pick as many holes as I can in any horse/race
Put Tommy's Oscar in the Drinmore and where would he have finished? My guess would be close to El Barra, around 10 lengths behind Banbridge. Not too dissimilar a distance from where he finished at Cheltenham.
Would banbridge have liked the ground that soft? He's won on soft in the past but his improved form has been on decent ground.
Gdm is much better over 3 miles+
El barra and Authorised Art are decent horses but knowhere near grade 1 standard. Grade 3/high class handicappers.
You'd expect them to be beaten out of sight in any grade 1 Galopin would've beaten el barra by 100 lengths in the turner's had he stood up
Feel me free to ignore me though I very much enjoy picking as many holes in form as I can
I'd even be a little worried about him jumping around an undulating track like Cheltenham with the way he almost fell on landing twice
I just like to pick as many holes as I can in any horse/race
This might not be the case and I could just be talking shite, but do you think you might have formed a bias against MP? A lot of valid questions raised above, and right to do so, but I remember you mentioned a while back that you never took to Mighty Potter and was wondering if that has any weight behind your critical observations in regards to his performance. I'm intrigued, because it's something I struggle with quite a bit. I'll form a bias about a horse and then instead of looking at things from a neutral perspective, I'll just focus on arguments that support my bias. The most recent example for me is Edwardstone, thought the horse was a dog. Spent about 20 minutes watching the Tingle Creek back trying to find something that proved Edwardstone was a shite winner lol.
Long bitcoin, long gold, long silver, long g/s opening day Cheltenham Festival
Would banbridge have liked the ground that soft? He's won on soft in the past but his improved form has been on decent ground.
Gdm is much better over 3 miles+
El barra and Authorised Art are decent horses but knowhere near grade 1 standard. Grade 3/high class handicappers.
You'd expect them to be beaten out of sight in any grade 1 Galopin would've beaten el barra by 100 lengths in the turner's had he stood up
Feel me free to ignore me though I very much enjoy picking as many holes in form as I can
I'd even be a little worried about him jumping around an undulating track like Cheltenham with the way he almost fell on landing twice
I just like to pick as many holes as I can in any horse/race
I'll not query the ground thing as it's old hat.
Is GDM better over 3 miles + ? - not sure he is myself, at least there's no concrete evidence that's the case.
I agree that they may not be up to grade 1 level just yet but Galopin is FAV for the Gold cup and close to second favourite is Lomme presse who beat GDM a similar distance to Potter - Fat or not (don't buy that reasoning either to be fair). It's a nice yardstick for form followers and ratings people.
Most fences are in flat places on most racecourse so the undulations won't have much impact bar the odd fence, although I'd admit that the second last might be a bit of an eyes closed moment for me.
It's hard to judge form and who ran their race on the day for sure though, so it's each to their own.
I tend to believe what I see as much as possible and ignore most of the chat, especially after the event.
There's enough second guessing in this game without searching for generic reasons to excuse beaten horses without sufficient evidence to support it.
Even if only one horse behind Potter ran to form, he's put up a 160+ performance for me.
This might not be the case and I could just be talking shite, but do you think you might have formed a bias against MP? A lot of valid questions raised above, and right to do so, but I remember you mentioned a while back that you never took to Mighty Potter and was wondering if that has any weight behind your critical observations in regards to his performance. I'm intrigued, because it's something I struggle with quite a bit. I'll form a bias about a horse and then instead of looking at things from a neutral perspective, I'll just focus on arguments that support my bias. The most recent example for me is Edwardstone, thought the horse was a dog. Spent about 20 minutes watching the Tingle Creek back trying to find something that proved Edwardstone was a shite winner lol.
Excellent point.
I'm not saying FF is doing this but plenty of people on here do it (myself included) even if it's unconsciously.
It;s basic human pyschology - to look after one self.
This might not be the case and I could just be talking shite, but do you think you might have formed a bias against MP? A lot of valid questions raised above, and right to do so, but I remember you mentioned a while back that you never took to Mighty Potter and was wondering if that has any weight behind your critical observations in regards to his performance. I'm intrigued, because it's something I struggle with quite a bit. I'll form a bias about a horse and then instead of looking at things from a neutral perspective, I'll just focus on arguments that support my bias. The most recent example for me is Edwardstone, thought the horse was a dog. Spent about 20 minutes watching the Tingle Creek back trying to find something that proved Edwardstone was a shite winner lol.
I'm even more critical of the horses I have backed at times. Being am eternal pessimist I'm constantly convincing myself the horses iv backed ante post won't win
Iv definitely never taken to mighty potter, though I'm starting to come round to him despite him being a little rough around the edges
If I was on at 14/1+ I'd be happy, so anyone should
Would i swap my TSL ticket for a mighty potter one 100%
But as a non backer I'm now viewing him through the prism of the short enough turner's favourite and because of that il be looking for every fault i can find in a horse before deciding whether to part with some pennies even just as a saver.
As of know I'm happy to hold off, Willie has a few to come out that could be huge rivals in the turner's at bigger prices. He will likely have to beat a couple of them if he goes to the DRF.
Mighty potter might be one for the ryanair next year for me more than this years turner's. He strikes as a horse who is still raw and learning that will get beat by something more streetwise this year but then kick on plenty next season.
Im mainly trying to play devils advocate and see what others views are in response
Is GDM better over 3 miles + ? - not sure he is myself, at least there's no concrete evidence that's the case.
I agree that they may not be up to grade 1 level just yet but Galopin is FAV for the Gold cup and close to second favourite is Lomme presse who beat GDM a similar distance to Potter - Fat or not (don't buy that reasoning either to be fair). It's a nice yardstick for form followers and ratings people.
Most fences are in flat places on most racecourse so the undulations won't have much impact bar the odd fence, although I'd admit that the second last might be a bit of an eyes closed moment for me.
It's hard to judge form and who ran their race on the day for sure though, so it's each to their own.
I tend to believe what I see as much as possible and ignore most of the chat, especially after the event.
There's enough second guessing in this game without searching for generic reasons to excuse beaten horses without sufficient evidence to support it.
Even if only one horse behind Potter ran to form, he's put up a 160+ performance for me.
Very possible backers will need to get the rosary beads out when he's about to jump the 3rd last which they come to after tanking down hill hahaha
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