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2023 Novice Chasers

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  • Originally posted by archie View Post
    Willie has talked up several as 2 milers but El Fabiolo is the only one that he's talked about as set for the traditional Irish route to the Arkle. Add to this that he was Ruby's early Festival tip and I'd say that it's pretty clear that he's first choice at the moment. However, those last 3 words should be underlined and in bold capitals this far out.
    Any news on Dysart Dynamo? I would have thought based on his novice hurdle campaign last year that he would the Arkle #1. Head strong and clearly talented. Yes, he fell at Cheltenham and the was clinically abnormal after Punchestown but surely he has to be at least on a par with El Fabiolo, right?

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    • Originally posted by Cheltenham Novice Chase View Post

      Any news on Dysart Dynamo? I would have thought based on his novice hurdle campaign last year that he would the Arkle #1. Head strong and clearly talented. Yes, he fell at Cheltenham and the was clinically abnormal after Punchestown but surely he has to be at least on a par with El Fabiolo, right?
      Feel like his chasing career is going to go very well or very badly

      He's either going to be an Un De sceaux type relentless front running galloper

      Or he's going to be headbutting half the fences

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      • Originally posted by Cheltenham Novice Chase View Post

        Any news on Dysart Dynamo? I would have thought based on his novice hurdle campaign last year that he would the Arkle #1. Head strong and clearly talented. Yes, he fell at Cheltenham and the was clinically abnormal after Punchestown but surely he has to be at least on a par with El Fabiolo, right?
        If Flame Bearer turns out to be decent DD could well end up being #5!!!

        1. El Fabiolo (should have beat Jonbon, thats better than anything DD achieved over hurdles)
        2. Appreciate It (in a different parish to DD IMO but ? on where he is)
        3. Saint Roi (even in defeat he was running to a higher level + solid cheltenham form)
        4. DD.

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        • Saint roi has never seemed big enough to make much of a chaser to me

          And given he's by the same sire as bacardys, asterion forlonge and Franco de port I wouldn't be confident at all He will take to it

          Appreciate it is gonna be 9 and I can see him wanting 2m4f at this stage of his career

          Dysart Dynamo had some appeal when he was 20/1 but I never pulled the trigger and now that he's 16/1 I'm even less inclined to add him having already covered el fabiolo and jonbon

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          • Originally posted by Cheltenham Novice Chase View Post

            Any news on Dysart Dynamo? I would have thought based on his novice hurdle campaign last year that he would the Arkle #1. Head strong and clearly talented. Yes, he fell at Cheltenham and the was clinically abnormal after Punchestown but surely he has to be at least on a par with El Fabiolo, right?
            If he went to the Arkle I could see him dragging Jonbon off again making it a real test, and then El Fabilio picking them off when they're both spent coming into the home straight

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            • I'm concerned about Jonbon getting up that hill after a strong pace, yeah its an arkle where his jumper (appears to be very good) will help him keep track and naturally they do a little slower than the madness in a supreme

              However... really want to see how he travels up the hill at sandown to mitigate my remaining concerns

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              • The main thing to say is that if Ferny Hollow didn’t get injured in his novice hurdle season he would have gone the Supreme and Appreciate It would have gone the Ballymore. Willie has always seen him as a horse that will stay beyond 2 miles. That’s why he started off in a bumper over 2 1/2m

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                • Originally posted by charlie View Post

                  If Flame Bearer turns out to be decent DD could well end up being #5!!!

                  1. El Fabiolo (should have beat Jonbon, thats better than anything DD achieved over hurdles)
                  2. Appreciate It (in a different parish to DD IMO but ? on where he is)
                  3. Saint Roi (even in defeat he was running to a higher level + solid cheltenham form)
                  4. DD.
                  DD not really being mentioned and Willie repeatedly talking up Flame Bearer in addition to El Fabs made me cash my Arkle bets on him, and I think your list is accurate

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                  • Minella Cocooner, Journey With Me, Whatdeawant & Classic Getaway all declared for the 2m4f Chase at Gowran on Saturday

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                    • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                      Minella Cocooner, Journey With Me, Whatdeawant & Classic Getaway all declared for the 2m4f Chase at Gowran on Saturday
                      I like the look of this race. Three big fancies for me and CG could be a bit of a dark horse. Chevely Park don't get many wrong.

                      If JWM wins this in Heavy ground, surely Henry doesn't drop him ever so slightly back in trip for the Turners?

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                      • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                        Minella Cocooner, Journey With Me, Whatdeawant & Classic Getaway all declared for the 2m4f Chase at Gowran on Saturday
                        Really hope all make it - what a cracking race.

                        Being firmly in the 'Minella Cocooner will be a star over 3m' camp, I'm more concerned with the manner in how he races than the bare result (barring having a shocker obviously). I'd far rather he wasn't keen and settled and came 2nd or 3rd, than making the running and showing good speed to win from the front.

                        Love this time of year.

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                        • Originally posted by charlie View Post

                          Really hope all make it - what a cracking race.

                          Being firmly in the 'Minella Cocooner will be a star over 3m' camp, I'm more concerned with the manner in how he races than the bare result (barring having a shocker obviously). I'd far rather he wasn't keen and settled and came 2nd or 3rd, than making the running and showing good speed to win from the front.

                          Love this time of year.
                          Either Minella Cocooner or JWM for me, both for the BANC though. Hope both go well.

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                          • Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post

                            I like the look of this race. Three big fancies for me and CG could be a bit of a dark horse. Chevely Park don't get many wrong.

                            If JWM wins this in Heavy ground, surely Henry doesn't drop him ever so slightly back in trip for the Turners?
                            But but but…..he’s more paced than Henry initially thought?

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                            • Originally posted by Stormez View Post

                              But but but…..he’s more paced than Henry initially thought?
                              Admittedly, he might know a thing or two more than me about horses ... but this just seems odd. I did wonder though if Robcour have had an input and decided that GMG and GC are for the longer trip and that they'd prefer JWM and Saint Felicien to aim at the Turners? Not sure.

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                              • Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post

                                Admittedly, he might know a thing or two more than me about horses ... but this just seems odd. I did wonder though if Robcour have had an input and decided that GMG and GC are for the longer trip and that they'd prefer JWM and Saint Felicien to aim at the Turners? Not sure.
                                When it comes to JWM I’m not sure if he does, seems all at sea with what to do with him!

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