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2023 Novice Chasers

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  • Soaring Glory goes novice chasing this season. Looking forward to seeing him over a fence!

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    • The RSA is an interesting market at the moment. Should TNG not like a fence or stay hurdling there could be some value in it.

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      • Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post
        The RSA is an interesting market at the moment. Should TNG not like a fence or stay hurdling there could be some value in it.
        Galliard du Mesnil could come into the picture especially after being mentioned for the Coral Gold Cup. Clearly he's highly rated amongst his Novice chasers and has heaps of experience which will be a big advantage in any of the Novice Chases.

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        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

          Galliard du Mesnil could come into the picture especially after being mentioned for the Coral Gold Cup. Clearly he's highly rated amongst his Novice chasers and has heaps of experience which will be a big advantage in any of the Novice Chases.
          Experienced but surely vulnerable to something more progressive in a BANC. Has there ever been a second season novice win one of the marquee novice chases before?

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          • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

            Experienced but surely vulnerable to something more progressive in a BANC. Has there ever been a second season novice win one of the marquee novice chases before?
            His form from last season is top class . He's already rated as high or higher than 6 of the last 12 BANC winners. He's right up there with the best of his other potential staying chasers .
            Last edited by Lobos; 24 October 2022, 06:27 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

              Galliard du Mesnil could come into the picture especially after being mentioned for the Coral Gold Cup. Clearly he's highly rated amongst his Novice chasers and has heaps of experience which will be a big advantage in any of the Novice Chases.
              That is an option that I would hate but a possibility.

              Of those priced up on Oddschecker I would say the below could run in the RSA:

              Minella Cocooner
              Thyme Hil
              Banbridge
              Appreciate It
              Whatdeawant
              Journey With Me
              James Du Berlais
              Gerri Colombe
              Hollow Games

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              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                His form from last season is top class . He's already rated as high or higher than 6 of the last 12 BANC winners. He's right up there with the best of his other potential staying chasers .
                Top class? He didn't even win a race

                This year's crop of staying novices would need to be rubbish for him to win the brown advisory

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                • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                  Top class? He didn't even win a race

                  This year's crop of staying novices would need to be rubbish for him to win the brown advisory
                  Maybe take a look at his Hurdles rating compared to the others at the top of the betting FF. You may change your mind

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                  • Top NOVICE CHASERS as per Time form.....
                    175p GALOPIN DES CHAMPS
                    166p FERNY HOLLOW
                    164p GENTLEMAN DE MEE
                    162p AHOY SENOR
                    162 L'HOMME PRESSE
                    161+ BOB OLINGER
                    161 EDWARDSTONE
                    160p STATTLER
                    160+ GAILLARD DU MESNIL
                    159 BRAVEMANSGAME
                    159 FAROUK D'ALENE
                    159 MASTER MCSHEE
                    158 RUN WILD FRED
                    157 FURY ROAD
                    156 BLUE LORD
                    156 CAPODANNO
                    156 NOBLE YEATS
                    155+ HAUT EN COULEURS
                    155 BEACON EDGE
                    154 GABYNAKO
                    154 IMPERIAL ALCAZAR

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                    • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                      Maybe take a look at his Hurdles rating compared to the others at the top of the betting FF. You may change your mind
                      He had an excellent novice hurdle campaign

                      But his jumping of a fence was average so he wasnt able to transfer that to being a grade 1 winner (or any kind of winner) over the larger obstacles

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                      • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                        Maybe take a look at his Hurdles rating compared to the others at the top of the betting FF. You may change your mind
                        His official rating was only 150 over hurdles. That has a lot of other potential, more likely to improve, novice chasers, with a higher hurdle mark than him, so I'm not sure what the point about his hurdle mark you are making? Or did you mean his Chase mark?

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                        • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                          His official rating was only 150 over hurdles. That has a lot of other potential, more likely to improve, novice chasers, with a higher hurdle mark than him, so I'm not sure what the point about his hurdle mark you are making? Or did you mean his Chase mark?
                          I did mean his hurdle rating. Higher than Minella Cocooner, 3 pounds behind The Nice Guy. He's right up there with them.

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                          • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                            He had an excellent novice hurdle campaign

                            But his jumping of a fence was average so he wasnt able to transfer that to being a grade 1 winner (or any kind of winner) over the larger obstacles
                            Didn't win one , which is to his advantage this season. 8th highest rated novice chaser with Timeform, level with Stattler who is going Gold Cup.

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                            • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                              I did mean his hurdle rating. Higher than Minella Cocooner, 3 pounds behind The Nice Guy. He's right up there with them.
                              Depends who turns up. Behind JDB, behind Appreciate It, behind Gelino Bello, behind Three Stripe Life, and even the ones just in behind him that's allowing them zero improvement for fences, when Gaillard himself is 6lbs better over fences than his hurdles rating.

                              He has a heap more improvement required, which I just don't see happening for a second season novice.

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                              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                                Didn't win one , which is to his advantage this season. 8th highest rated novice chaser with Timeform, level with Stattler who is going Gold Cup.
                                Is it to his advantage? Again, how many second season novices have won a marquee novice chase?

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