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2023 Novice Chasers

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  • Kilcruit is not doing anything for me! If he’s goes fav for any race I’ll be looking elsewhere.

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    • Originally posted by IstabraqBarRegular View Post
      I've been trying to split Willie's novice chasers and come up with this -

      Arkle - Dysart Dynamo and El Fabiolo

      NH Chase - Gaillard Du Mesnill

      Brown Advisory - Kilcruit and Appreciate It

      Turners - Minella Cocooner and Sir Gerhard


      All guess work obviously and all depending on fitness and form middle of March
      Probs missed a couple as well, feel free to dismiss
      I’d personally have Flame Bearer and James Du Berlais in the Turners mixer.

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      • Originally posted by IstabraqBarRegular View Post
        I've been trying to split Willie's novice chasers and come up with this -

        Arkle - Dysart Dynamo and El Fabiolo

        NH Chase - Gaillard Du Mesnill

        Brown Advisory - Kilcruit and Appreciate It

        Turners - Minella Cocooner and Sir Gerhard


        All guess work obviously and all depending on fitness and form middle of March
        Probs missed a couple as well, feel free to dismiss
        Don't see DD,AI, FB or JDB ending up at Cheltenham so I'll go....

        Arkle - El Fabiolo (Mullins always has just 1 dart)

        Turners - Sir Gerhard and Kilcruit

        BANC - Minella Cocooner

        NHC - Galliard Du Mesnil


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        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

          Don't see DD,AI, FB or JDB ending up at Cheltenham so I'll go....

          Arkle - El Fabiolo (Mullins always has just 1 dart)

          Turners - Sir Gerhard and Kilcruit

          BANC - Minella Cocooner

          NHC - Galliard Du Mesnil

          He ran three this year!

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          • I didn't watch Kilcruit first time out over fences as I was busy and once Journey With Me had been pulled it left the race of little interest to me, however, I actually didn't dislike that performance by Kilcruit.

            I was expecting to watch a bit of a hit and miss jumping display, but I thought he was good enough over his fences.

            He's still got plenty to prove off the back of a largely disappointing novice hurdle campaign, for me, but I wouldn't be downbeat on him if I had backed him, after the weekends performance.

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            • Just to note, although a few will be happy it looks like Sir G is going over fences, I see it as a massive negative the fact it’s taken this long to decide.

              Someone mentioned it the other day that possibly he hasn’t schooled the best which I’d concur with.

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              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                Don't see DD,AI, FB or JDB ending up at Cheltenham so I'll go....

                Arkle - El Fabiolo (Mullins always has just 1 dart)

                Turners - Sir Gerhard and Kilcruit

                BANC - Minella Cocooner

                NHC - Galliard Du Mesnil

                I think if you offered Willie this line up on a plate today he’d say no thank I’ll take my chances.

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                • Originally posted by Bonjers View Post

                  He ran three this year!
                  A poor 3 yes.

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                  • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post
                    Just to note, although a few will be happy it looks like Sir G is going over fences, I see it as a massive negative the fact it’s taken this long to decide.

                    Someone mentioned it the other day that possibly he hasn’t schooled the best which I’d concur with.
                    Or he's possibly schooled brilliantly. Let's face it, we are all guessing at this stage. Only one man knows the score. Let it all unfold.

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                    • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                      Or he's possibly schooled brilliantly. Let's face it, we are all guessing at this stage. Only one man knows the score. Let it all unfold.
                      If that was a case there would be no discussion regarding hurdles or fences?!

                      I’ve not backed him other than a couple RABS but I can’t take the last couple weeks as a positive.

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                      • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post

                        If that was a case there would be no discussion regarding hurdles or fences?!

                        I’ve not backed him other than a couple RABS but I can’t take the last couple weeks as a positive.
                        We can all carry on and discuss/debate but we still don't have a clue

                        Have I missed something? What's happened in the last two weeks re SG?

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                        • If they all make it (where I think they will be aimed at)

                          Arkle - El Fabiolo, Dysart, Flame Bearer

                          Turners - Minella Cocooner, Kilcruit

                          BANC - Appreciate It (can see him going any of the three tbh but will avoid Kilcruit), James Du Berlais, (Potentially GDM if injuries happen)

                          NHC - GDM, Whatdeawant


                          I think Sir Gerhard could end up over hurdles at this rate, Willie says he's not performing well atm, and that might be poor jumping at home which is why he hasn't committed yet to where to send him chasing. Also if he is having doubts over Vauban in the CH this year so he may want to send SG there as well

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                          • Willie's normal training schedule would have had SG and Vauban doing their final piece of serious work on Thursday. If that was only moderate he probably already had his doubts about declaring them for Sunday before he was interviewed at Clonmel later in the day but they would almost certainly have been keeping the option open while the 2 horses were monitored for the 24 hours before the declaration deadline. His comment that they were all intended runners until they weren't would be just that.

                            In the interview at Punchestown he seemed doubtful that either horse would be running for some time which suggests a bug or something physical. Whatever the reason, backing SG in a Festival novice chase is probably not a great move until he gets a chase entry.

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                            • Originally posted by Winging The Last View Post
                              If they all make it (where I think they will be aimed at)

                              Arkle - El Fabiolo, Dysart, Flame Bearer

                              Turners - Minella Cocooner, Kilcruit

                              BANC - Appreciate It (can see him going any of the three tbh but will avoid Kilcruit), James Du Berlais, (Potentially GDM if injuries happen)

                              NHC - GDM, Whatdeawant


                              I think Sir Gerhard could end up over hurdles at this rate, Willie says he's not performing well atm, and that might be poor jumping at home which is why he hasn't committed yet to where to send him chasing. Also if he is having doubts over Vauban in the CH this year so he may want to send SG there as well
                              Willie namechecked the arkle for Appreciate it, when namechecking a particular race for a horse, willie rarely deviates from that race, so i've been told... have you considered this?

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                              • Originally posted by AaronLad View Post

                                Willie namechecked the arkle for Appreciate it, when namechecking a particular race for a horse, willie rarely deviates from that race, so i've been told... have you considered this?
                                Yeah as I said Appreciate It could go for any of the three races, and he also name checked the Arkle for El Fabiolo, Dysart and Flame Bearer. He won’t run all 4 in the race! He also said:

                                ‘I don’t think he’ll have any problem staying further, maybe even three miles’ - ATR Stable Tour

                                ‘he'd have no issue going down the Arkle route, though he could be one for the Turners. It doesn't really matter to me whether he starts off at two miles or two and a half miles, we'll just wait for him and the right race to come along.’ - RP Stable Tour

                                So he could go any route atm.

                                With Dysart, Flame Bearer and El Fabiolo he’s only mentioned the Arkle and 2 miles

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