2023 Novice Chasers

[Lobos]

Are there any Ch Bumper winners who have gone on to win at the festival the following 2 years? None in the last 20 years from what I can see. Envoi Allen came close..

Easily the best Bumper winner ever was Florida Pearl. Won for Willie in 97. Won the RSA (BANC) in 98. 3rd in Gold Cup in 99 and 2nd in Gold Cup in 2000. 2nd in 2000 King George and then won KG in 2001 beating subsequent triple GC winner Best Mate.

[opatcho]

possible you can get double figures for MP if he loses at DRF
great horse, but.... he's yet to go up against a decent Mullins horse and win (GDM is a barge)

[FinalFurlong91]

Easily the best Bumper winner ever was Florida Pearl. Won for Willie in 97. Won the RSA (BANC) in 98. 3rd in Gold Cup in 99 and 2nd in Gold Cup in 2000. Won 2000 King George beating 2001 Gold Cup winner Best Mate and finished runner up in the race the following year.

Cue card surely

won 9 grade 1s

won one of the best finishes of all time chinning vautour in the King george

[Lobos]

Cue card surely

won 9 grade 1s

won one of the best finishes of all time chinning vautour in the King george

9 Grade 1's for FP as well! Including 4 Irish Hennessey's

CC a close second I'd say. Two incredible horses.

[FinalFurlong91]

Are there any Ch Bumper winners who have gone on to win at the festival the following 2 years? None in the last 20 years from what I can see. Envoi Allen came close..

Champagne fever got within a head

Envoi didn't get very close at all really saving the bookies from all the multis featuring him shiskin, allaho, Monkfish, minella indo

but I'm definitely over that...

[Birds Nest]

Monsignor was very special...and would have surely gone on to mop up in a below par chase generation.

[FinalFurlong91]

Monsignor was very special...and would have surely gone on to mop up in a below par chase generation.

The what might have been definitely

[Craigy14]

Think you guys are probably right in that Sir G hasn't really set the world slight with the RPR's and OR's and has also thrown the odd bad one in mainly at the tail end of the season and specifically Punchestown. That said, he's won at the Festival in consecutive years and is certainly a punters favourite. That's what makes him so popular and sexy. Rest assured, if he wins tomorrow as he should then the bookies won't take any chances and they'll immediately make him fav for The Turner's as they'll be scared to death of being hit again for a third time. Looking at the betting, they've cut him already so they are getting ready.

Classic case of Lobos bias here I think in regards to form etc

I like Sir Gerhard but I think he has a lot to do. The main problem being, he’ll have 1 run, no doubt a facile win and we won’t have anything else to go on. Then trying to predict his target is even harder, imo he could easily land in any one of the 3 novice chases.

WPM’s strength and depth in the novice chase departments means, as you’ve touched on, most are cut before a run and then stupidly shorter after a run. His any race price with sky is still 4/1 so I’ll likely throw him in a double or treble as some sort of cover.

[Lobos]

That 4/1 may look rather sweet a little later (He's only 9/2 to win today and Turner's with Hills). Definitely the way to go if you are thinking of having a bet on him especially if he doesn't take to fences today and switches back to hurdles and possibly takes in the Stayers. He could turn out to be the next Tiger Roll, a multiple winner in different races for several years to come.

[Carnage at Taunton]

That 4/1 may look rather sweet a little later (He's only 9/2 to win today and Turner's with Hills). Definitely the way to go if you are thinking of having a bet on him especially if he doesn't take to fences today and switches back to hurdles and possibly takes in the Stayers. He could turn out to be the next Tiger Roll, a multiple winner in different races for several years to come.

Good grief!!
9/2 for a horse to win 2 chases??
A horse that’s never ran in a chase, been off the track for ages, and last time seen got smashed??!!!
Worlds gone mad.

[Lobos]

Good grief!!
9/2 for a horse to win 2 chases??
A horse that’s never ran in a chase, been off the track for ages, and last time seen got smashed??!!!
Worlds gone mad.

Yep. The norm this season unfortunately. Pathetic.

[Jrow]

I think Ruby Walsh gave a little nod last week when asked who of willies could give Jonbon most to think about. He was quick to say Sir G. Says a lot that I think considering he hasn't ran over fences yet. I think Appreciate It and Sir G are going to be split and the Mullins Bingo really gets going again.

Sir G - Arkle (Townend)
DD - Arkle (danny)

AI - Turners (townend)
EF - Turners (Jacob)

JDB - BANC (Townend)
Kilcruit - BANC (Patrick)
Ramilies - BANC (Cooper) maybe

GDM - NHC

[Lobos]

Arkle
DD
EF
SR

Turners....

AI
SG
AC

BANC....

K
JDB


NHC....

R
GDM


There you go Willie, Sorted.

[AaronLad]

Arkle
DD
EF
SR

Turners....

AI
SG
AC

BANC....

K
JDB


NHC....

R
GDM


There you go Willie, Sorted.

flame bearer? after his improved performace lto

[Carnage at Taunton]

Just a few comments I can remember just off the top of my head....he has been referred to as ‘the king’ , as a ‘top top horse’ and ‘far superior to MIghty Potter..my interpretation was that these comments equate to exceptional, so yes I am guilty of using my own interpretation.

It can be argued whether a 155 horse is a top top horse or far superior to Mighty Potter or indeed a king, maybe he is all of these things, I was just hoping somebody would give a compelling case for why, particularly as I haven’t seen that many counter positions....

So I guess, as it stands I’ve assumed I’m in the minority when I say I don’t really get it, and I’ve learnt over time that when people smarter than you are telling you either overtly or subtly that you’ve got it wrong, you are wise to listen.

There is no case from what I can see.
Currently he’s a horse that’s won a few bumpers and novice hurdles. That’s it.
Hrs also ran a couple of stinkers, although end of season so can be argued to be ott.
Hes currently inc today entered in 9 races( is that a record?).
That tells me his connections are not at all sure whether he should go chasing or stay hurdling , and what distance.
Looking at prices available for the festival, I don’t see any that appeal for a horse with his racing record.
Time will tell if some stuff I read about him actually proves correct, but right now it’s imo not justified.