2023 Novice Chasers

[Benjy23]

Aye, sounds very minor doesn't it and the missing Cheltenham bit isn't quite as strong as I recall. Does use the word 'injury' though, so don't think it's a case of him not showing much spark on the gallops or whatever.

[HesTheOne]

Aye, sounds very minor doesn't it and the missing Cheltenham bit isn't quite as strong as I recall. Does use the word 'injury' though, so don't think it's a case of him not showing much spark on the gallops or whatever.

Yea he definitely took an knock, obviously not too serious but he was out of training for awhile only back in the start of this month.

[Lobos]

Yea he definitely took an knock, obviously not too serious but he was out of training for awhile only back in the start of this month.

Pretty much like 75% of every other horse in training. Just because he's high profile it was highlighted.

[Dandrew99]

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/willie-mullins-weekend-runners-at-warwick-fairyhouse-and-punchestown/206619

Few comments from Willie's weekend runners. Interesting to read that Willie thought that 2m5f was too far for Ha D'Or, maybe a sign he will be a mid distance horse rather than a 3 miler...

"We have two nice runners in this, Paul has picked Ha D’Or who won nicely on chasing debut in Fairyhouse over a trip we thought might be too long for him, but we’re back here over a similar distance. He showed us there that he settles nicely over fences, which we’re hoping he’ll do again. Hopefully he can keep his jumping together and attain a top three finish."

[Studfarm254]

Ok so I’ve changed my mind again with sir g coming back into the picture. This is how I see it now. Saint roi isn’t good enough to win either race so forget about him. El fabiolo isn’t good enough to win either race so forget about him. If anyone wants to back him cuz they’re his mate or have a cousin with the same name or something he’ll be going Arkle. James de Berlais isn’t a 3 miler and they’ll be split with James going turners. Dysart will clearly stay Arkle. Sir g will be sent to 1 of these maiden chases ruby talked about, he’s clearly going to win that and the distance is irrelevant wether he starts over 2 or 2 n half, because staying sound he’s turner bound. Last year over hurdles he went maiden then grade 1, so it’ll be the same drill here but over fences. That means appreciate it will stay Arkle. Appreciate is the supreme winner and sir g is the ballymore winner so it makes sense. If things don’t go to plan with keeping sir g sound, then appreciate will go turners and don’t ask me why. It is what it is

[Zachx02]

Ok so I’ve changed my mind again with sir g coming back into the picture. This is how I see it now. Saint roi isn’t good enough to win either race so forget about him. El fabiolo isn’t good enough to win either race so forget about him. If anyone wants to back him cuz they’re his mate or have a cousin with the same name or something he’ll be going Arkle. James de Berlais isn’t a 3 miler and they’ll be split with James going turners. Dysart will clearly stay Arkle. Sir g will be sent to 1 of these maiden chases ruby talked about, he’s clearly going to win that and the distance is irrelevant wether he starts over 2 or 2 n half, because staying sound he’s turner bound. Last year over hurdles he went maiden then grade 1, so it’ll be the same drill here but over fences. That means appreciate it will stay Arkle. Appreciate is the supreme winner and sir g is the ballymore winner so it makes sense. If things don’t go to plan with keeping sir g sound, then appreciate will go turners and don’t ask me why. It is what it is

El fabiolo not good enough? He posted the best RPR of any of the novices in their beginners

[Studfarm254]

El fabiolo not good enough? He posted the best RPR of any of the novices in their beginners

Ok I didn’t want to go into this but u got me. Clearly very similar ability to jonbon over hurdles. Jonbon jumps fences immaculately, el fabiolo jumps fences like a bag of hammers, and I’m talking sledgehammers. He’s no chance of beating jonbon in the Arkle.

[FinalFurlong91]

El fabiolos jumping was perfectly fine

He made 1 mistake

Got in tight to the last two and fiddled over them nicely

The Irish arkle will tell us how good his jumping is at that level, his technique is good but a little low

Really really looking forward to both the Irish arkle and flogas, our ante post novice chase slips will look very good or very bad after those races

If one of the two races goes my way il be happy. 2 go my way delighted. Neither go my way back to the drawing board and a combination of relying on jonbon and damage limitation.

[Studfarm254]

El fabiolos jumping was perfectly fine

He made 1 mistake

Got in tight to the last two and fiddled over them nicely

The Irish arkle will tell us how good his jumping is at that level, his technique is good but a little low

Really really looking forward to both the Irish arkle and flogas, our ante post novice chase slips will look very good or very bad after those races

If one of the two races goes my way il be happy. 2 go my way delighted. Neither go my way back to the drawing board and a combination of relying on jonbon and damage limitation.

I’m not saying he’s useless. He’s a good animal and great chance of placing but if u ain’t 1st ur last

[charlie]

Ok so I’ve changed my mind again with sir g coming back into the picture. This is how I see it now. Saint roi isn';t good enough to win either race so forget about him. El fabiolo isn’t good enough to win either race so forget about him. If anyone wants to back him cuz they’re his mate or have a cousin with the same name or something he’ll be going Arkle. James de Berlais isn’t a 3 miler and they’ll be split with James going turners. Dysart will clearly stay Arkle. Sir g will be sent to 1 of these maiden chases ruby talked about, he’s clearly going to win that and the distance is irrelevant wether he starts over 2 or 2 n half, because staying sound he’s turner bound. Last year over hurdles he went maiden then grade 1, so it’ll be the same drill here but over fences. That means appreciate it will stay Arkle. Appreciate is the supreme winner and sir g is the ballymore winner so it makes sense. If things don’t go to plan with keeping sir g sound, then appreciate will go turners and don’t ask me why. It is what it is

To play devils advocate:

'Saint Roi isn’t good enough to win either race' - Grade 1 winner over 2m, chase debut RPR 155, Cheltenham winner, credible in CH defeat, probably wants further.

'El Fabiolo isn’t good enough to win either race' - Very unlucky not to win the G1 at Aintree, chase debut RPR 159, made 1 jumping error on debut, unexposed.

'James de Berlais' isn’t a 3 miler' - best run to date over 3m vs KD, pedigree dripping with stamina (Willie has mentioned this).

Also, if they can't keep Sir G sound why would AI go Turners if JDB isn't a 3 miler? Where does JDB go?

I think the one thing we all agree on collectively is Dysart is boom or bust over 2m and thats it.

[DenmanSacre]

El fabiolo not good enough? He posted the best RPR of any of the novices in their beginners

The counter argument is he posted the worst Timeform rating.

The ratings mean nothing for a maiden win.

[Faugheen_Machine]

Couldn't have sir G for any race after this prep myself

Well Chief and Western Warhorse (sorry!) landed the Arkle on the back of a single run over fences, so it can be done, but it'd take a brave punter to back him with that prep, especially given his price.

I'm not having him either. He's in some bets from last year but I won't be adding him to any more at his current price.

[somer1]

Well Chief and Western Warhorse (sorry!) landed the Arkle on the back of a single run over fences, so it can be done, but it'd take a brave punter to back him with that prep, especially given his price.

I'm not having him either. He's in some bets from last year but I won't be adding him to any more at his current price.

Kevs gunna smack your legs for saying the unmentionable one

[DenmanSacre]

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/...hestown/206619

Few comments from Willie's weekend runners. Interesting to read that Willie thought that 2m5f was too far for Ha D'Or, maybe a sign he will be a mid distance horse rather than a 3 miler...

"We have two nice runners in this, Paul has picked Ha D’Or who won nicely on chasing debut in Fairyhouse over a trip we thought might be too long for him, but we’re back here over a similar distance. He showed us there that he settles nicely over fences, which we’re hoping he’ll do again. Hopefully he can keep his jumping together and attain a top three finish."

As a 4 year old and then early in his novice hurdle campaign he was quite difficult to settle. Seemed to settle better last time but I wouldn't be keen on him going up to 3m just yet. Has a fair bit of speed so the mid trip should suit.

[Studfarm254]

To play devils advocate:

'Saint Roi isn’t good enough to win either race' - Grade 1 winner over 2m, chase debut RPR 155, Cheltenham winner, credible in CH defeat, probably wants further.

'El Fabiolo isn’t good enough to win either race' - Very unlucky not to win the G1 at Aintree, chase debut RPR 159, made 1 jumping error on debut, unexposed.

'James de Berlais' isn’t a 3 miler' - best run to date over 3m vs KD, pedigree dripping with stamina (Willie has mentioned this).

Also, if they can't keep Sir G sound why would AI go Turners if JDB isn't a 3 miler? Where does JDB go?

I think the one thing we all agree on collectively is Dysart is boom or bust over 2m and thats it.

He could be really exciting over two and a half or three miles. “He’s got plenty of pace." That’s the quote from Daryl Jacob after the last race. Ruby has mentioned him and el fab will be split, so el fab Arkle, JDB turners.

If sir g doesn’t make it then that leaves them very thin in the turners and he’ll make the decision to send AI there.

Any other questions, just give me a shout