2023 Novice Chasers

[Quevega]

And worth covering at 33-1 for turners also.

[DenmanSacre]

jockey Jacob reported “he’s a great jumper but I haven’t ridden a Willie Mullins horse that fresh for a long time. He’s been off the track for a long time and he was fresh under me all the way.
“When he sees a fence he says 'let me at it'. He takes them on and at a couple of fences he’s got in deep, so I’ve tried to educate him. He was a very good horse over hurdles and it’s good to have him back again.

“He’s had a nice blow going down to the last but when I gave him a little squeeze he’s winged the last and gone away nicely. He could be really exciting over two and a half or three miles. He’s got plenty of pace.”

[charlie]

With James du Berlais, the owners also have El Fabiolo. I'm sure they will want them both in different races so if JDB is a Turners horse, that will leave EF in the Arkle.

JDB's ultimate destination may not be solely up to his own performances if Willie thinks he will be equally effective over 2 and a half miles and 3 miles.

I agree they wont clash, but given El Fab was not fluent at quite a few of his obstacles, unless he improves markedly in the jumping department I think they might take the view the Turners would place less pressure on his jumping, and send JDB up in trip. That would make sense for Munir, but it would also make sense for Willie as you'd imagine DD has one trip and one trip only, and Appreciate It has only ever really been campaigned over 2m. They could very well be his 2 in the Arkle, and worth noting Willie has only sent 2 horses to the Arkle 3 times in 20 years (it might be 18, not sure, but its rare). Obviously, I'm making sweeping assumptions that all horses will step forward and prove to be really good, which they probably all wont, so who knows.

[riccirich]

Worth remembering that the Munir/suede combo also have Bronn with Mullins who was a good second to Gerri Colombe on chase debut and didn’t jump as well as Gerri. With a little improvement he could definitely throw his hat in the ring to travel over, and if they’re all to be split I’d say jdb - turners and bronn - banc would look the more likely, unless the national hunt chase comes into the equation for bronn.

[JamieSensible]

Thunder Rock flew home up the hill too, could he be one for the browns or not going to have the class do we think?

Although I never like to discount English trained horses for the grade 1 Novice chases, I don't think he would have the class to feature in any of them this year. If he had a nice mark he could feature in a handicap, but I don't think his form is very strong.

[FinalFurlong91]

I agree they wont clash, but given El Fab was not fluent at quite a few of his obstacles, unless he improves markedly in the jumping department I think they might take the view the Turners would place less pressure on his jumping, and send JDB up in trip. That would make sense for Munir, but it would also make sense for Willie as you'd imagine DD has one trip and one trip only, and Appreciate It has only ever really been campaigned over 2m. They could very well be his 2 in the Arkle, and worth noting Willie has only sent 2 horses to the Arkle 3 times in 20 years (it might be 18, not sure, but its rare). Obviously, I'm making sweeping assumptions that all horses will step forward and prove to be really good, which they probably all wont, so who knows.

He ran 3 in the arkle last year

And wouldve been 2 the year before had energumene been able to run

He has so many good horses these days He will be sending 2+ to the arkle pretty much every year from now on barring lots of injuries

[Quevega]

Anyone ever seen Ruby and Q in the same room? Some decent insight/observations of late Sir.

Me and you Daz ?
We'd give Josh and the voice with eyebrows a run for their money

[Kevloaf]

Worth remembering that the Munir/suede combo also have Bronn with Mullins who was a good second to Gerri Colombe on chase debut and didn’t jump as well as Gerri. With a little improvement he could definitely throw his hat in the ring to travel over, and if they’re all to be split I’d say jdb - turners and bronn - banc would look the more likely, unless the national hunt chase comes into the equation for bronn.

They have a retained jockey in D.Jacob and use Paul for Willie, so I'd be surprised if Bronn was considered for NHC myself...

Have backed Bronn at 40's for the BANC myself though, I think that's a fair price (assuming it's still there)


In fact I might do the trixie

3645/1 with Sky

[Outlaw]

Me and you Daz ?
We'd give Josh and the voice with eyebrows a run for their money

Last time I pay you a compliment Ruby !
A lovely dulcet tone his Irish counterpart brings to the table, hope He's been laying Bardenstown lad the last couple times mind he's truly horrendous over fences !

[charlie]

He ran 3 in the arkle last year

And wouldve been 2 the year before had energumene been able to run

He has so many good horses these days He will be sending 2+ to the arkle pretty much every year from now on barring lots of injuries

Oh yeh, of course he did. Thats highly unusual for Willie though. He's had strength and depth for a good decade and he usually sends one. I'd be surprised if its 3 but if it is, then we're in for a treat!

[Quevega]

Real Whacker 25-1 NRNB WH for RSA.
Looks worth taking.
No real star has emerged as yet so he could give a good attempt and might be hard to pass.

Whacker's time today was very good also.
Considering the Handicap and winner of that is looking very solid form.
He was 4 seconds quicker than the handicap, and only 10 secs slower than standard.
And he led.
Faster than Lomme Presse last year on similar ground, and the fastest running of the dipper on soft going ever.
Obviously the going is very difficult to compare.

However Hills are underestimating this horse due to the trainer, and 25-1 and 33-1 are both no brainers NRNB. each way bets.
I'd imagine he'll get a decent RPR.

[opatcho]

^^^^ I’ve backed him after todays run, the Dipper has generated some decent winners of the turners and banc

didnt see whacker winning today, but he did it nicely today. Jumped well, quick and we know he stays and likes the course

Price is too big

[Kevloaf]

Whacker's time today was very good also.
Considering the Handicap and winner of that is looking very solid form.
He was 4 seconds quicker than the handicap, and only 10 secs slower than standard.
And he led.
Faster than Lomme Presse last year on similar ground, and the fastest running of the dipper on soft going ever.
Obviously the going is very difficult to compare.

However Hills are underestimating this horse due to the trainer, and 25-1 and 33-1 are both no brainers NRNB. each way bets.
I'd imagine he'll get a decent RPR.

Agreed.

Added both.

Biggest odds anywhere, with NRNB is a no brainer.

I don't know why L'Homme Presse got mentioned but we'll let that slide

[Lostinleith]

Whacker's time today was very good also.
Considering the Handicap and winner of that is looking very solid form.
He was 4 seconds quicker than the handicap, and only 10 secs slower than standard.
And he led.
Faster than Lomme Presse last year on similar ground, and the fastest running of the dipper on soft going ever.
Obviously the going is very difficult to compare.

However Hills are underestimating this horse due to the trainer, and 25-1 and 33-1 are both no brainers NRNB. each way bets.
I'd imagine he'll get a decent RPR.

It is strange to see WH so out of step. For example, Ladbrokes aren't NRNB yet but they go 16-1 and 20-1 for Turners and Brown Advisory

[Outlaw]

Whacker's time today was very good also.
Considering the Handicap and winner of that is looking very solid form.
He was 4 seconds quicker than the handicap, and only 10 secs slower than standard.
And he led.
Faster than Lomme Presse last year on similar ground, and the fastest running of the dipper on soft going ever.
Obviously the going is very difficult to compare.

However Hills are underestimating this horse due to the trainer, and 25-1 and 33-1 are both no brainers NRNB. each way bets.
I'd imagine he'll get a decent RPR.

Just done the comparisons for this, Not sure how much the ground changed within half hour but makes very interesting reading. All the hcap jumped the last on first circuit(7th) before Whacker, but the Dippers circuit from there significantly faster and the first 4 all finished before Midnight River.