2023 Novice Chasers

[Odin]

Quotes from the stable about intermediate trips were based around him racing keenly as a novice hurdler. He settled much better on chase debut which has hopefully settled those worries. He's a big Flemensfirth that thrived over longer trips as a hurdler and is most likely to be seen to best effect over 3m.

For me, we can't yet say he thrived because of the longer trips as a novice hurdler as it could just have been natural progression as he gained experience and wore a hood from drf onwards. The flemensthirth point is completely fair and means his long term future is definitely over longer you'd have thought.

He's my biggest single winner in rsa and second biggest winner (and in a lot of multis) in turners so I don't mind which way he goes but Willie made a lot of excuses for him after the novice chase debut, which I've never noticed him do before, so I'd still have him 55-45 going turners - but don't mind being wrong!

Edit: also, Willie namechecked the turners and rarely gets it wrong in that regard as I found out to my cost last year so happy to take him at his stable tour word this year when a 20/1 shot is at stake!

[Lobos]

Facile Vega for the Ballymore would also work here

He who laughs last.........

[Lobos]

Love this.

I recommend almost all members add this caveat. On all of their posts.

Except Lobos whose posts should simply have the caveat

"This is a blurt"

C'mon, everyone loves a blurt. This place would be dead without it.

[Quevega]

C'mon, everyone loves a blurt. This place would be dead without it.

Absolutely.

[Quevega]

He who laughs last.........

[Lobos]

The Sir G news today wasn't great but for me it does help with the Mullins Novice Chaser Bingo.

Arkle......El Fabiolo and Appreciate it.

Turners...... Minella Cocooner and Kilcruit


BANC...... Galliard Du Mesnil and Classic Getaway


NHC..... Ramillies.

Job done.

[Dandrew99]

The Sir G news today wasn't great but for me it does help with the Mullins Novice Chaser Bingo.
Arkle......El Fabiolo and Appreciate it.

Turners...... Minella Cocooner and Kilcruit

BANC...... Galliard Du Mesnil and Classic Getaway

NHC..... Ramillies.

Job done.

Saint Roi? Higher debut RPR than Appreciate It (probably El Fabiolo too), looks to be Willie's main dart at the Christmas 2m novice chase.

Still Dysart Dynamo to come too...

Ridiculous that he's arguably had his best two horses in the longer trip races (Sir G and The Nice Guy) and still as strong as that.

Plenty more Mullins bingo fun to be had yet!

[fatherjohn]

Saint Roi? Higher debut RPR than Appreciate It (probably El Fabiolo too), looks to be Willie's main dart at the Christmas 2m novice chase.

Still Dysart Dynamo to come too...

Ridiculous that he's arguably had his best two horses in the longer trip races (Sir G and The Nice Guy) and still as strong as that.

Plenty more Mullins bingo fun to be had yet!

saint roi given a higher rating but timeform have given appreciate it a 150P...which is similar to jonbons 152P. saint roi was all out to get that rating and appreciate it more or less cantered around and was asked to put the race away and did with ease. I'd say right now appreciate it would be Willie's aim one for arkle (and potentially splitting with el fab if they are the two best he has as both looked like they could handle 2 1/2).

dysart is interesting for sure...and from what we saw last year the most likely to stick to 2m miles unless they have got him to settle...which again makes me nervous willie will push AI or el fab to turners.

[Lobos]

Not forgotten Saint Roi, Dysart Dynamo or James Du Berlais..........just don't like them. Makes it a lot easier for me to do the shuffling without those 3 as well

[Dandrew99]

saint roi given a higher rating but timeform have given appreciate it a 150P...which is similar to jonbons 152P. saint roi was all out to get that rating and appreciate it more or less cantered around and was asked to put the race away and did with ease. I'd say right now appreciate it would be Willie's aim one for arkle (and potentially splitting with el fab if they are the two best he has as both looked like they could handle 2 1/2).

dysart is interesting for sure...and from what we saw last year the most likely to stick to 2m miles unless they have got him to settle...which again makes me nervous willie will push AI or el fab to turners.

Yeah I don't disagree that those two look the better Arkle prospects. But I think it's fair to say Saint Roi would be a more than capable 2nd string in the Arkle, if Willie wanted to move one of the big guns up to two and a half. I personally see Saint Roi as this years Blue Lord. I'd personally be delighted if they lined up the way Lobos has listed them out, but I definitely think Saint Roi will run in the Arkle. Could be as a third string, even a fourth string if Dysart Dynamo looks the business too, my point was it's far from a done deal (when is it ever with Willie...)

[HesTheOne]

Wouldn’t expect Mullins to go mob handed at the Arkle, only once has he ran more than one in it (this year exception with 3) where as turners he’s had multiple runners every year bar 1, same volume with the Banc.

How I see his 2 milers shape up (as it stands today)

Appreciate It 1st String Arkle good debut, trainer said Arkle in early season stable tour and says it again now - many expected he’d go further.

Sir Gerhard: N/A Injured, not in the picture right now. Connections say chasing could happen, appreciate it pathway does spring to my mind still..

El Fab: Arkle? Turners.. Had no challenge on debut, some doubts for Arkle re: jumping. Will improve a tonne tho the turners could be more suitable

Dysart Dynamo:..Maybe Arkle yet to be seen, raw speed but flunked at Chelt & Punch. No volume behind him betting

Saint Roi: 2nd String Arkle? Good enough debut, but market outsider

Flame Bearer. N/A disappointing debut not on my radar at the minute

All going well with no further set backs it leaves just about 4 in the 2m picture with 1 who looks on track for Arkle, questions over the debut of El Fab but okayish, 3rd yet to be seen with doubts over ability, and 4th a 33/1 market outsider.

Strong chance Mullins has only 1… at a push maybe 2 runners lining up on the day.

[Zachx02]

Wouldn’t expect Mullins to go mob handed at the Arkle, only once has he ran more than one in it (last year exception with 3) where as turners he’s had multiple runners every year bar 1, same volume with the Banc.

How I see his 2 milers shape up (as it stands today)

Appreciate It 1st String Arkle good debut, trainer said Arkle in early season stable tour and says it again now - many expected he’d go further.

Sir Gerhard: N/A Injured, not in the picture right now. Connections say chasing could happen, appreciate it pathway does spring to my mind still..

El Fab: Arkle? Turners.. Had no challenge on debut, some doubts for Arkle re: jumping. Will improve a tonne tho the turners could be more suitable

Dysart Dynamo:..Maybe Arkle yet to be seen, raw speed but flunked at Chelt & Punch. No volume behind him betting

Saint Roi: 2nd String Arkle? Good enough debut, but market outsider

Flame Bearer. N/A disappointing debut not on my radar at the minute

All going well with no further set backs it leaves just about 4 in the 2m picture with 1 who looks on track for Arkle, questions over the debut of El Fab but okayish, 3rd yet to be seen with doubts over ability, and 4th a 33/1 market outsider.

Strong chance Mullins has only 1… at a push maybe 2 runners lining up on the day.

He had 3 this year, could have been 4 if ferny wasnt injured so I wouldnt say theres a strong chance of only 1, I'd definitely say hes going to have 2 minimum with the strength he has in his 2 mile chasers

[HesTheOne]

He had 3 this year, could have been 4 if ferny wasnt injured so I wouldnt say theres a strong chance of only 1, I'd definitely say hes going to have 2 minimum with the strength he has in his 2 mile chasers

Typo - this year/last year

[Exar Essay]

Would’ve been 2 the year before but for the last minute injury to Energumene

[Winging The Last]

Wouldn’t expect Mullins to go mob handed at the Arkle, only once has he ran more than one in it (this year exception with 3) where as turners he’s had multiple runners every year bar 1, same volume with the Banc.

How I see his 2 milers shape up (as it stands today)

Appreciate It 1st String Arkle good debut, trainer said Arkle in early season stable tour and says it again now - many expected he’d go further.

Sir Gerhard: N/A Injured, not in the picture right now. Connections say chasing could happen, appreciate it pathway does spring to my mind still..

El Fab: Arkle? Turners.. Had no challenge on debut, some doubts for Arkle re: jumping. Will improve a tonne tho the turners could be more suitable

Dysart Dynamo:..Maybe Arkle yet to be seen, raw speed but flunked at Chelt & Punch. No volume behind him betting

Saint Roi: 2nd String Arkle? Good enough debut, but market outsider

Flame Bearer. N/A disappointing debut not on my radar at the minute

All going well with no further set backs it leaves just about 4 in the 2m picture with 1 who looks on track for Arkle, questions over the debut of El Fab but okayish, 3rd yet to be seen with doubts over ability, and 4th a 33/1 market outsider.

Strong chance Mullins has only 1… at a push maybe 2 runners lining up on the day.

I think you need to do an evaluation for his Turners and BANC horses because if you say only one goes the Arkle he’s going to have like 4/5 in both the other races