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2023 Novice Hurdlers

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  • Firestep is a Mahler so you'd expect Ballymore at a minimum. Damsire is Saddlers Hall so again, stamina influence. I'd expect the Albert Bartlett, especially considering his age.
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    • Henderson on Ahorsewithnoname....


      "She's got only two objectives; the Cesarewitch and the Mares' Novices' Hurdle at Cheltenham, in which she was second last season. She improved considerably in the spring and her Cheltenham run and her two Flat wins were way above anything she'd done before."

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      • Luccia also heading down the Mares Novices route and the issue she had explained......

        "She could be anything," he said. "When she won at Sandown it was the best performance in a mares' bumper all season. She was incredible, but she has this habit of locking her stifle and, one morning, it wouldn't unlock.
        "She went over and couldn't get up, and we thought we'd lose her, but there was a technique we tried, which saved her life.

        "Let's hope she's as good as we thought, and I don't think the issue will worry her'

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        • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post
          Firestep is a Mahler so you'd expect Ballymore at a minimum. Damsire is Saddlers Hall so again, stamina influence. I'd expect the Albert Bartlett, especially considering his age.
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          The dam raced almost exclusively at 2m but it’s the Mahler angle that probably puts me off him. He also looked very quirky but that may have been inexperience.

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          • Aye, the word 'Mahler' is very useful in weeding horses out. It may happen eventually, but there's enough of them about for the percentage call to be a simple ignore of the whole lot. In my incredibly scientific opinion anyway...

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            • Easier for me to play a waiting game with Firestep or even ignore him completely when considering the Mahler angle plus him being off so long and his age.

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              • Facile Vega back off holiday, looks like he's been sensible with the San Miguels.

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                • His odds will shorten again now they know he's back in !

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                  • I'd have thought that he came in from the field in early to mid August and spent the last 6 weeks in a pre-training yard.

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                    • Originally posted by archie View Post
                      I'd have thought that he came in from the field in early to mid August and spent the last 6 weeks in a pre-training yard.
                      I guess all horses are different but is it a fair estimate that horses need 8-10 weeks of being back in the yard for them to fit enough to run ?
                      I always imagined a Summer in the field meant exactly that, 3 months of eating grass with no formal exercise/training and when they come back there's plenty of weight to shift, but I'm guessing...

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                      • Its like me, I shut off for summer (I have zero interest in the flats), forget everything, puts on a few pounds, and then come back in late September forgetting how to play this game and needing to warm back up to it

                        I will be in form and hitting a RPR of 176 come the Tingle Creek!!

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                        • Each horse is different and different trainers have different regimes. Willie's standard break for the winter horses is from after Punchestown to Galway ie about 3 months. Some go straight back in to the main yard, others go via pre-training.

                          As a very rough rule of thumb, they take about as long to get ready as they've been out and you can probably look at it as 4 weeks walking, 4 weeks slow/half speed and 4 weeks building up to proper gallops. 3 full speed gallops and bingo. All very rough and ready for the 'average' horse but you get the idea.

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                          • Originally posted by archie View Post
                            As a very rough rule of thumb, they take about as long to get ready as they've been out and you can probably look at it as 4 weeks walking, 4 weeks slow/half speed and 4 weeks building up to proper gallops. 3 full speed gallops and bingo. All very rough and ready for the 'average' horse but you get the idea.
                            Thanks Archie, very helpful…

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                            • Juvenile hurdler Jazzy Matty (Previously named Jamestown) runs tomorrow at Auteuil 11.15 under his current connections. Would be hopeful of a good run there before going straight across to Gordon. Still 33s in the Triumph market..

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                              • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
                                Juvenile hurdler Jazzy Matty (Previously named Jamestown) runs tomorrow at Auteuil 11.15 under his current connections. Would be hopeful of a good run there before going straight across to Gordon. Still 33s in the Triumph market..
                                Seems an odd decision if he's to move stables shortly. Change of mind perhaps or incorrect information??

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