2023 Novice Hurdlers

[Lobos]

That's it, get him in the Pipe! 10/1.....pffffp....... should be at least 20's

[Quevega]

That's it, get him in the Pipe! 10/1.....pffffp....... should be at least 20's

As daft as it sounds
with an Irish rating of 134 and likely uk tax of around 4lb
He could be put away for the pipe for sure.
given the sort of rating it takes to win the ballymore of around 152 ish.
Hes a stone and half well in for the second year running.

Middle_Of_March will have nightmares.

be some battle with Langer Dan to see who can fuck it up the best.

[Lobos]

Doesn't sound daft at all. Not sure the English capper will be so lenient this time around. That said, he failed to deliver this year as you say. Mullins Novices, Hurdlers and Chasers are impossible to sort out at this stage.

[Middle_Of_March]

Great to see you back MoM, it was just after Gaelic Warrior got done on the line in March you went AWOL, we were fearing the worst.
Great to see you haven't lost faith too...

Cheers Ista. I ended up making a profit on the boodles last year because of the early each ways on GW. But him getting chinned was just horrific. Equally as bad as the BDD fall in the Mares Hurdle. Both of which had me doubled over on the deck near the final hurdle.

But I’m now seeing it all as a wider plan. And him getting beat that day is a sign to have me lumping on him for the ballymore this year at an even bigger price instead. And so he’s now my biggest single bet of the season. Up the Gaelic Good Ting 2.0.

[Middle_Of_March]

As daft as it sounds
with an Irish rating of 134 and likely uk tax of around 4lb
He could be put away for the pipe for sure.
given the sort of rating it takes to win the ballymore of around 152 ish.
Hes a stone and half well in for the second year running.

Middle_Of_March will have nightmares.

be some battle with Langer Dan to see who can fuck it up the best.

I’ve just thrown up a little bit at that thought.

[Middle_Of_March]

Doesn't sound daft at all. Not sure the English capper will be so lenient this time around. That said, he failed to deliver this year as you say. Mullins Novices, Hurdlers and Chasers are impossible to sort out at this stage.

Did he fail to deliver? Here are the facts. He got beat by a JP plot, despite making all the running, losing around 10-12 lengths in the race by jumping right and notably got tired after the last. On another day with a lead and not going so right at every hurdle, he wins that by 10 lengths and we are talking about him right now as a champion hurdle candidate. I haven’t lost faith at all.

[AaronLad]

Did he fail to deliver? Here are the facts. He got beat by a JP plot, despite making all the running, losing around 10-12 lengths in the race by jumping right and notably got tired after the last. On another day with a lead and not going so right at every hurdle, he wins that by 10 lengths and we are talking about him right now as a champion hurdle candidate. I haven’t lost faith at all.

Champion hurdle candidate? If he had won a boodles off 129? You can't be serious

[nortonscoin200]

Champion hurdle candidate? If he had won a boodles off 129? You can't be serious

AaronLad great to see you reviving memories of John McEnroe….made my day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hK1wyrrAU

[Brooksie]

Did he fail to deliver? Here are the facts. He got beat by a JP plot, despite making all the running, losing around 10-12 lengths in the race by jumping right and notably got tired after the last. On another day with a lead and not going so right at every hurdle, he wins that by 10 lengths and we are talking about him right now as a champion hurdle candidate. I haven’t lost faith at all.

I'd argue your fact that he lost 12 lengths, seems more of a fictional statement to me.

[Quevega]

I'd argue your fact that he lost 12 lengths, seems more of a fictional statement to me.

You've done well to only have one issue with it.
The "JP plot " ran off top weight and went off at 10-1 vs 13/8F
It looked like you needed to be on the pace in that race, looking at the front 2.
But the biggest worry for me is the Faith bit.
Faith in what ?
He's well handicapped ?
Or the next big thing ?

He was a great bet last season because he looked on paper to have been given a handy mark.
He now looks a promising novice hurdler after finally breaking his maiden at the fifth attempt, against mushrooms and dogshit. (in a quick time )
I'd be wary of this horse being a bit of a loss chasers type.
If I get mugged once, I'll walk a different way home the next day. And probably carry a weapon.

He looks like one you may get a run for your money with as Mullins will be determined to try and get some credit back, as his unusually emotive/pointed interview after his defeat in the Boodles showed.

As stated previously I have backed him after his last race though, just in case it's as good as it looked.

[Rooster Booster]

AaronLad great to see you reviving memories of John McEnroe….made my day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hK1wyrrAU

I was hoping to discuss John McEnroe’s comment about Serena being ranked about 700 in the men’s game with my daughter expecting a decent philosophical debate and all I got back was who the fuck is John McEnroe

[nortonscoin200]

A couple of observations on the Gaelic Warrior debate (bias admission: I've backed him).

Firstly, it is very difficult to make all and win a 21 runner two-mile race at the Festival - or any Festival race for that matter. I know there have been notable exceptions but it's not a front-runner's track imo.

Secondly, I reckon the Ballymore trip will be a far better fit for Gaelic Warrior. Two miles over hurdles is too short for him - he's a galloper who gets tapped for toe over the minimum trip.

I've just rewatched replays of all five of his career starts and that's evident from all 3 of his runs at Auteuil.

And Brazil had the better turn of foot in the Boodles despite not seeming to be travelling as well as Gaelic Warrior turning into the home straight.

Out of curiosity I timed (roughly) the final two circuits of GW's romp at Tramore and made the second lap a second or two quicker than the first lap.

Ok, it was nothing more than a training spin really - but Gaelic Warrior certainly wasn't stopping at the finish.

IF he proves top class I believe it'll be his stamina that gets him there - and he'll grind the opposition into submission.

Though if he turns up in the Ballymore I hope there'll be enough pace in the race to allow Paul to sit behind the leaders and go for home as they turn in.

At this stage, I agree with Quevega that he's clearly of interest due to price/connections/latest rpr and quick time at Tramore but it's too early to say if he's the real deal.

But he'll certainly have some nice chasing options next year when you could see him being a big player in the Turners, Brown Advisory or the NHC.

[Eggs]

A couple of observations on the Gaelic Warrior debate (bias admission: I've backed him).

Firstly, it is very difficult to make all and win a 21 runner two-mile race at the Festival - or any Festival race for that matter. I know there have been notable exceptions but it's not a front-runner's track imo.

Secondly, I reckon the Ballymore trip will be a far better fit for Gaelic Warrior. Two miles over hurdles is too short for him - he's a galloper who gets tapped for toe over the minimum trip.

I've just rewatched replays of all five of his career starts and that's evident from all 3 of his runs at Auteuil.

And Brazil had the better turn of foot in the Boodles despite not seeming to be travelling as well as Gaelic Warrior turning into the home straight.

Out of curiosity I timed (roughly) the final two circuits of GW's romp at Tramore and made the second lap a second or two quicker than the first lap.

Ok, it was nothing more than a training spin really - but Gaelic Warrior certainly wasn't stopping at the finish.

IF he proves top class I believe it'll be his stamina that gets him there - and he'll grind the opposition into submission.

Though if he turns up in the Ballymore I hope there'll be enough pace in the race to allow Paul to sit behind the leaders and go for home as they turn in.

At this stage, I agree with Quevega that he's clearly of interest due to price/connections/latest rpr and quick time at Tramore but it's too early to say if he's the real deal.

But he'll certainly have some nice chasing options next year when you could see him being a big player in the Turners, Brown Advisory or the NHC.

….50-1 with PP/BFSB to win Bally & a/r in 2024.

[nortonscoin200]

….50-1 with PP/BFSB to win Bally & a/r in 2024.

Just done it Eggs - my crystal ball sez NHC next year.

[Middle_Of_March]

I'd be wary of this horse being a bit of a loss chasers type.

I know you thrive on getting a reaction but that’s a bit of a low blow. Not sure rubbing it in is necessary whatsoever