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Facile Vega won't go Albert will he ?? And similarly, American Mike is not a Supreme horse is he ??
Doing the 'Related' Doubles and just want to save myself a few points !
If facile Vega ends up in the Bartlett it will be because he’s been a massive flop over hurdles, in which case I most likely wouldn’t want to be on him anyway.
american mike on the other hand I wouldn’t be sure, initial thought is he has the look of a horse who wants a rise in trip to the ballymore, but he was second in the champion bumper and travels well in his races, and it could turn into a case of running in whichever race facile Vega doesn’t run in, which could make the supreme an option.
I’d highly doubt the Bartlett is an option for either one though at this moment in time, and like I said if it becomes an option I feel it would be because they have been a disappointment.
Thanks RR. Agree with FV but I do think AM may well end up in the Albert as he looks a proper galloper to me and one that will appreciate a trip. Whatever happens I do think AM will avoid FV if their Bumper form plays out.
I think Facile Vega goes Supreme. He has speed and stamina which you need to win it. I think American Mike will start off in the 2m6f maiden hurdle at Down Royal and follow a similar route to Hollow Games. I think Hollow Games would have gone Bartlett if Ginto wasn't on the scene.
Thanks RR. Agree with FV but I do think AM may well end up in the Albert as he looks a proper galloper to me and one that will appreciate a trip. Whatever happens I do think AM will avoid FV if their Bumper form plays out.
I think Facile Vega goes Supreme. He has speed and stamina which you need to win it. I think American Mike will start off in the 2m6f maiden hurdle at Down Royal and follow a similar route to Hollow Games. I think Hollow Games would have gone Bartlett if Ginto wasn't on the scene.
Interesting angle. Gordon did an interview with David Jennings and suggested he'd start in the 2m maiden hurdle (won by Ballyadam, Envoi Allen, Mighty Potter) rather than the 2m6 race with a view to then stepping up to 2m4.
If I had to guess, I'd imagine his mid-season target will be the Lawlor's of Naas and onto Cheltenham (probably the Ballymore unless he gets done for toe at Naas) from there.
I've listened to that interview countless times and my feeling is that Gavin leads Gordon to the Ballymore. Gordon emphasises a step up in trip which could mean Ballymore or Albert. For me though, if Vega goes Ballymore then Mike won't!! The Supreme looks out for him I'd say.
Personally (and I may be way off) but I’m not buying into the thinking of American Mike going to the AB just to avoid Facile Vega. If Gordo believes Mike to be his best chance over the Ballymore trip (which I believe he will be) then I’m sure his whole season will be campaigned that way regardless of how Willie decides to campaign FV. And for all we know FV’s race will be up in the air probably until the week leading up to Cheltenham with Mullins bingo mindgames.
American Mike whilst looking like a galloper isn’t short of a bit of speed judging by his bumpers and the extra 5 furlongs he’ll be asked to run will I’m sure see AM as a leading contender for the Ballymore if he takes to hurdling
Personally (and I may be way off) but I’m not buying into the thinking of American Mike going to the AB just to avoid Facile Vega. If Gordo believes Mike to be his best chance over the Ballymore trip (which I believe he will be) then I’m sure his whole season will be campaigned that way regardless of how Willie decides to campaign FV. And for all we know FV’s race will be up in the air probably until the week leading up to Cheltenham with Mullins bingo mindgames.
American Mike whilst looking like a galloper isn’t short of a bit of speed judging by his bumpers and the extra 5 furlongs he’ll be asked to run will I’m sure see AM as a leading contender for the Ballymore if he takes to hurdling
They don't plan on going 3 miles with Mike this season, was talking to Codd recently. Middle distances after starting at 2.
But they are hoping to avoid Facile...
They don't plan on going 3 miles with Mike this season, was talking to Codd recently. Middle distances after starting at 2.
But they are hoping to avoid Facile...
Catch 22 isn't it. Facile will surely start off with the Supreme as his number 1 target so Gordon will hope it pans out that way.
Catch 22 isn't it. Facile will surely start off with the Supreme as his number 1 target so Gordon will hope it pans out that way.
The only place they'll have to meet if Facile goes that way is the Ballymore, long season outside of Chelt and plenty can happen with injuries etc.
Mike will be a lot better over hurdles and up in distance although likely won't match Facile.
As I say the talk of him starting at anything above 2 miles or going 3 miles this season totally unfounded as thats not what the stable plan right now.
With Willie as always they'll start at 2miles, don't see a reason they'll up in distance unless he needs too. With that stride lenght and travelling speed can't see why Facile wouldn't excel at 2 miles.
It'll be interesting to see where Mike goes at the DRF. Assume the 2m6?
If he ends up going to the Lawlor's (Death Duty, Battleoverdoyen, Envoi Allen, Ginto) then chances are he skips the Dublin Racing Festival - those 4 all did. DD and Ginto ended up in the Bartlett, BOD + EA in the Ballymore.
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