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Originally posted by SeanRock
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assuming no GDC.
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Only other entries Kemboy & Franco.
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Looks like Bravemansgame will be running in the Gold Cup IF he wins the King George:
Victory for Bravemansgame would lead to Nicholls aiming him at the Cheltenham Gold Cup.
The seven-year-old has yet to win at Cheltenham – he was a withdrawal at last season's festival due to the ground – but, after disappointing in the Mildmay Novices' Chase at Aintree in April, he reaffirmed himself as one of Britain's top chasers with an easy win in the Charlie Hall Chase at Wetherby on his return in October.
Bravemansgame is as big as 25-1 for the Cheltenham Gold Cup, but the King George been his long-term target for more than a year.
Nicholls said: "He looks fantastic and is in really good shape. We've had a great preparation with him.
"I'd say he was ready to run but not fully wound up for the Charlie Hall – he travelled and jumped well and won nicely. He'll be ready for next week – we've done a lot with him and he looks fantastic.
"He's gone through his novice races, won his first race outside of novice company this season, and now he's in the big boy's league. This is the biggest race there is over Christmas, but I think he's well ready for it.
"We're learning about him all the time. If, and if is a big word in racing, he was to win the King George next week then we'd go straight to the Gold Cup. He's good fresh so our challenge would be to get him in the form of his life for that."
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…BMG into 14-1 365 & now a best price 20-1.
If a GC run is dependant on winning the KG, then the ‘win today’ market could ge the way to go. 33-1 with Sky is the only offer I can see, both PP/BFSB have KG/Ryanair.Comment
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When was the last time a horse won the KG then the GC?Comment
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BMG winning a GC, ain’t having it
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Yep. Might Bite won and then 2nd. Don Cossack fell at the 2nd last in the Cue Card Vautour battle and won the Gold Cup - possibly would have won the KG though. Not been one more recently to have gone close in both.Originally posted by robith View PostComment
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To be fair trends only confirm the recent ish Irish dominance so the King George is never going to be a great guide.Originally posted by Frankely My Dear View Post
if Mullims or Elliott send one over for the race it suggests (to me) that horse can’t win a Savilles, and in all honesty, like it or not, the Savilles is a far better race (in terms of quality) than the King George…Comment
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I totally disagree with this and would use race winning rprs from the last 10 years for both races to back this up.Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
KG L/S
172 166
168 171
176 171
176 174
169 170
174 170
180 162
176 170
176 165
174 170
so 8 out of the last 10 years the king george has had a higher race winning rpr, please show one of the showpiece races of the british racing calender a little more respect. I encourage you to look at the 2015 line up, wow.
And i'd say It's also worth bearing in mind in the last 10 years no winner of the gold cup has won either the king george or the savills in the same season.Comment
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I'm a little surprised you have taken offence at my comment, and more than a little surprised that you use a renewal from 7 years ago to back your point up when the basis of my original point is recency.Originally posted by AaronLad View Post
RPRs can also be so contentious, as far as I know it's one mans opinion at the Racing Post, no question that one man is better qualified than me to judge a performance but nonetheless it's just an opinion.
And whilst you are right that no winner of either race has doubled up in the Gold Cup, beaten horses in the Savilles have not only won Gold Cups but filled many places too.
Since that 2015 King George you refer to, which for me was one of the best races in history, the Irish have won 6 of the 7 Gold Cup renewals, does that not confirm where the recent strength lies ? Hence my comment on dominance.
I love the King George, it's a great race and is a staple part of Christmas, but it's been a long time since the race was a true Gold Cup trial/guide, Best Mate, Long Run, Kauto Star, these are all well in the history books, in recent history it is fought out by horses who can't win a Gold Cup, and no doubt that trend will change eventually, trends do, but right now for me it's an inferior race...Comment
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I asked as I've never seen a horse win both in a season in the relatively short time I've been in the game. Can see the KG/GC bets as a potential cashout option if the horse wins the KG, but I'd be surprised if the bookies still shortened the winner of the KG for the GC, knowing that it is unlikely to win it. Don't seem like value bets to meComment
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As long as BMG wins the KG that’s all I want for Xmas.Comment
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They'll definitely shorten if the right type wins.Originally posted by Frankely My Dear View Post
Like BMG LP & EA.
Just hard to predict the manner of victory and by how much they'll shorten.
For example, if Lomme Press wins 6l + then he'd probably go to anything between 5/2 & 7/2
BMG more likely to be single figures if he won similarly.Comment
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Without wanting to derail the thread…. AaronLad I think you may be the only person on the forum that seemed to think Ista was having a pop at the King George as a race, he’s actually since backed up in a little more detail what he meant and I totally agree with him the Savills is by far a better more recent guide to Gold Cup winners and places.Originally posted by AaronLad View Post
I think you need to read what your posting before posting as it comes across very argumentative and aggressive. Chill out a bit, yes it’s a forum for discussion but sometimes the tone of what is written is easily interpreted in this way. Spotted it in a couple of posts recently, little ‘swipes’ at people. You seem pretty knowledgeable (more so than me) but just take it easy
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