2023 Stayers Hurdle

[Quevega]

Can't take any credit for this as I'd not even spotted the entry originally.
Just never cottoned on when he fell the other day.
Was mentioned on the FF podcast.

But Haut en C.... is entered in this, and is available at 16-1 NRNB with 365.
Obviously we all know he isn't entered in anything else as yet.

He was running like a 160+ horse the other day, and obviously this would be not only a more winnable option but wouldn't cost them a supplementary.

He would surely be a lot shorter on the day.
Willie's multiple entries suggests he is planning on running one or two and Sir G looks less likely now and some of the others would be having their first run of the season.

[That Horse]

But Haut en C.... is entered in this, and is available at 16-1 NRNB with 365.

Just makes sense to add him given the nrnb element

[Quevega]

Just makes sense to add him given the nrnb element

If he runs, I'd say maximum 8-1 SP.
Unless we get a couple of other ringers !

[Black Dog]

I agree there's alot of pluses to this with the doubts over FP and BK. 16/1 NRNBOG looks logical at this stage Captain.

[ComplyOrDie]

I see his forecast odds are 4/6, I'd take that tbh.

So much for that then, I'm not backing him at 2/5

Looks like a stroll in the park for him today.

[AaronLad]

Can't take any credit for this as I'd not even spotted the entry originally.
Just never cottoned on when he fell the other day.
Was mentioned on the FF podcast.

But Haut en C.... is entered in this, and is available at 16-1 NRNB with 365.
Obviously we all know he isn't entered in anything else as yet.

He was running like a 160+ horse the other day, and obviously this would be not only a more winnable option but wouldn't cost them a supplementary.

He would surely be a lot shorter on the day.
Willie's multiple entries suggests he is planning on running one or two and Sir G looks less likely now and some of the others would be having their first run of the season.

Having not been tried over 3m, and having a more favourable looking hurdle mark than his other stayers hurdle entrants would the coral cup not be a more likely destination?
If he is a 160 horse he's got a stone in hand.

edit. probably not a stone on his uk mark actually but ....

[Quevega]

Having not been tried over 3m, and having a more favourable looking hurdle mark than his other stayers hurdle entrants would the coral cup not be a more likely destination?
If he is a 160 horse he's got a stone in hand.

Possibly.
Not sure Willie is that arsed about that race though.
Depends if Willie thinks he can win the stayers.
The other question mark with the Coral cup is what mark he will get, as the British Handicapper can do what he likes really. And could rate him based on the last run and fall.
I think he's an unlikely runner in the stayers for sure, but if he did run, he'd be a lively one and shorter than the 16-1 available.
I'd imagine for a handicap he'd be single figures and that's before we know his UK mark so comes with risks.

[AaronLad]

Possibly.
Not sure Willie is that arsed about that race though.
Depends if Willie thinks he can win the stayers.
The other question mark with the Coral cup is what mark he will get, as the British Handicapper can do what he likes really. And could rate him based on the last run and fall.
I think he's an unlikely runner in the stayers for sure, but if he did run, he'd be a lively one and shorter than the 16-1 available.
I'd imagine for a handicap he'd be single figures and that's before we know his UK mark so comes with risks.

Yeah i'm not even thinking of having a bet on him for the coral cup at this stage, but an entry and a mark at around 150 and i'm certainly interested.
Shall we find out what william hill offer nrmb for the coral cup?
i know you like to be patient, but if they offered say 10/1 nrmb wouldn't that be a "no brainer?"

[Istabraq]

Having not been tried over 3m, and having a more favourable looking hurdle mark than his other stayers hurdle entrants would the coral cup not be a more likely destination?
If he is a 160 horse he's got a stone in hand.

edit. probably not a stone on his uk mark actually but ....

Totally get the reasoning for backing HEC in the Stayers and I know horses can (and do) switch well between timber and fences but there has to be a reason why he was sent chasing in the first place and stayed chasing.
Unless there have been comments that I’ve missed this entry could easily be a trap/curveball as we know Mullins enters his horses in everything (festival)…

[Quevega]

Totally get the reasoning for backing HEC in the Stayers and I know horses can (and do) switch well between timber and fences but there has to be a reason why he was sent chasing in the first place and stayed chasing.
Unless there have been comments that I’ve missed this entry could easily be a trap/curveball as we know Mullins enters his horses in everything (festival)…

I think the angle here was that this one was only entered in the stayers hurdle, and none of the chases.
His chasing record is now very sketchy, and he's unexposed over hurdles, but clearly talented.
His handicap mark will influence.

[Quevega]

Yeah i'm not even thinking of having a bet on him for the coral cup at this stage, but an entry and a mark at around 150 and i'm certainly interested.
Shall we find out what william hill offer nrmb for the coral cup?
i know you like to be patient, but if they offered say 10/1 nrmb wouldn't that be a "no brainer?"

Yeah, as I'd take 10-1 (just), and you never know.
No harm with this one.
Could wait until next Monday I suppose as the Irish Handicapper may have assessed his last run.
I'd have though if he's given high 150's they'd probably not run in the Coral.
So NRNB very little risk.

[AaronLad]

Totally get the reasoning for backing HEC in the Stayers and I know horses can (and do) switch well between timber and fences but there has to be a reason why he was sent chasing in the first place and stayed chasing.
Unless there have been comments that I’ve missed this entry could easily be a trap/curveball as we know Mullins enters his horses in everything (festival)…

But had no entries for chases? proper curveball.
I dont see a switcheroo for him but if there was i was suggesting maybe the coral cup would be more likely than the stayers.
Was just interested in Quevega's opinion really

[AaronLad]

Yeah, as I'd take 10-1 (just), and you never know.
No harm with this one.
Could wait until next Monday I suppose as the Irish Handicapper may have assessed his last run.
I'd have though if he's given high 150's they'd probably not run in the Coral.
So NRNB very little risk.

yeah nrmb no risk. mullins may not even have it in his mind but if he did he wouldn't run him unless given an attractive mark.

[ComplyOrDie]

Yeah, as I'd take 10-1 (just), and you never know.
No harm with this one.
Could wait until next Monday I suppose as the Irish Handicapper may have assessed his last run.
I'd have though if he's given high 150's they'd probably not run in the Coral.
So NRNB very little risk.

Was just reading through this and glad the Coral Cup has been brought up, as that was my first thought for the horse.

Will await a price now, assuming it's been requested

[Istabraq]

But had no entries for chases? proper curveball.
I dont see a switcheroo for him but if there was i was suggesting maybe the coral cup would be more likely than the stayers.
Was just interested in Quevega's opinion really

Miss Cheltenham altogether ?
Handicaps ?