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2023 Champion Chase

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  • Originally posted by MTR View Post
    In my ten years of betting I don’t think I’ve had a horse like Edwardstone that’s made such a mug out of me every time he runs
    …..yet a few on here seemed keen to take the 40-1 on offer to win today & CC. it’s funny how opinion can be divided but I suppose that’s the beauty of the sport we love & this site.

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    • Originally posted by Eggs View Post

      …..yet a few on here seemed keen to take the 40-1 on offer to win today & CC. it’s funny how opinion can be divided but I suppose that’s the beauty of the sport we love & this site.
      Excellent work on the win today stuff Eggs

      A lot are shit but one or two are decent, but a lot of members wouldn't always click on , so your little thread is very useful indeed.

      Hard to predict how well he might win but the 40-1 (45's boosted) was one of the fairer quotes. Mainly because of the horses he'd be beating if he did win today.

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      • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

        Excellent work on the win today stuff Eggs

        A lot are shit but one or two are decent, but a lot of members wouldn't always click on , so your little thread is very useful indeed.

        Hard to predict how well he might win but the 40-1 (45's boosted) was one of the fairer quotes. Mainly because of the horses he'd be beating if he did win today.

        ….definitely, Q, you have to be very selective on those offers & value to one might not be value to others. I wouldn’t have minded taking the 100-1 Noble Yeats & GC.
        Last edited by Eggs; 3 December 2022, 10:01 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Eggs View Post

          …..yet a few on here seemed keen to take the 40-1 on offer to win today & CC. it’s funny how opinion can be divided but I suppose that’s the beauty of the sport we love & this site.
          Funny indeed, thought it a no brainier myself.
          Thank you eggs for your efforts in helping us beat the bookies, as always

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          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
            12/1 about Shishkin? Can forgive the run or gone at the game?
            Gone I'd say Kev. I was silly enough to give him another chance and stuck him in some small Henderson Festival multiples before today. He isn't the same horse.

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            • Originally posted by Eggs View Post


              ….definitely, Q, you have to be very selective on those offers & value to one might not be value to others. I wouldn’t have minded taking the 100-1 Noble Yeats & GC.
              Nearly 150-1 boosted with hills !

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              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                Gone I'd say Kev. I was silly enough to give him another chance and stuck him in some small Henderson Festival multiples before today. He isn't the same horse.
                The crazy thing is we've had Shishkin and Douvan, 2 top class 2 mile chasers who we could argue are top 10 2 mile chasers ever, not win the CC yet Put The Kettle On, Politologue, Special Tiara, Dodging Bullets and Sire de Grungy have.

                I know in 10 years time I'll remember Shishkin and Douvan as top class horses and need the Racing Post race histories to remember the others.

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                • I'm in the can't get Edwardstone right club as well. Backed him a couple of times as a handicap hurdler in defeat, and then as a late novice chaser I never managed to take to him as a realistic Arkle winner. And then at Aintree I had him as last leg of a decent multi, which must be the only time he's been beaten over fences. Couldn't really have him yesterday either.
                  ​​​​​​That 40s does look decent now mind, and I guess obvious in hindsight.

                  Although the CC is completely Energumene's to lose still imo, got to be one of the bankers of the week now... ​so another chance for Ed to prove me wrong.

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                  • Did Energumenes Champion Chase form and that with Shishkin not take a little knock yesterday? GDM's performance must have disappointed Willie as well. I wonder if he and Energumene work together. The fact they sent GDM over surely meant they fancied him to run better than that ?

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                    • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                      Did Energumenes Champion Chase form and that with Shishkin not take a little knock yesterday? GDM's performance must have disappointed Willie as well. I wonder if he and Energumene work together. The fact they sent GDM over surely meant they fancied him to run better than that ?
                      That was clearly not the real shiskin so no

                      He beat Greaneteen by 10 lengths last season, got beat 6 lengths by him yesterday

                      And GDM is a law unto himself

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                      • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                        Did Energumenes Champion Chase form and that with Shishkin not take a little knock yesterday? GDM's performance must have disappointed Willie as well. I wonder if he and Energumene work together. The fact they sent GDM over surely meant they fancied him to run better than that ?
                        I dont think so as shishkin last year was one of best horses in training from ratings and visually. this years shishkin is not a like for like comparison for me. mullins was already talking about being happy with a place for gdm pre race so i dont think they had high exepectations.

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                        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                          Did Energumenes Champion Chase form and that with Shishkin not take a little knock yesterday? GDM's performance must have disappointed Willie as well. I wonder if he and Energumene work together. The fact they sent GDM over surely meant they fancied him to run better than that ?
                          GDM was far too keen throughout the early part of the race and expended too much energy to be of any factor late on. They'll need to figure out how to settle him down. The way he jumped the first I thought he was aiming for the moon.


                          Long bitcoin, long gold, long silver, long g/s opening day Cheltenham Festival

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                          • Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post
                            I'm in the can't get Edwardstone right club as well. Backed him a couple of times as a handicap hurdler in defeat, and then as a late novice chaser I never managed to take to him as a realistic Arkle winner. And then at Aintree I had him as last leg of a decent multi, which must be the only time he's been beaten over fences. Couldn't really have him yesterday either.
                            ​​​​​​That 40s does look decent now mind, and I guess obvious in hindsight.

                            Although the CC is completely Energumene's to lose still imo, got to be one of the bankers of the week now... ​so another chance for Ed to prove me wrong.
                            Going back over this thread, and it’s clear there are a few others on here that have egg on their face re Edwardstone.
                            I can’t think right now of a horse that so many have underestimated more,both last season and into this season.
                            Well imo he can’t be knocked now after that yesterday.

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                            • Any news on when Energ is out? Xmas time??

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                              • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post
                                Any news on when Energ is out? Xmas time??
                                He ran in the hilly way at cork first run last season

                                Which is next sunday

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