this week's entries

[Lobos]

Did he not say Mundi could be a Supreme or Turners horse at some point ?

[ComplyOrDie]

Did he not say Mundi could be a Supreme or Turners horse at some point ?

Maybe. I just remember him saying something about him being a typical Supreme type.

Edit.

Stable tour quote:

"He's one I'm looking forward to. He has the potential to be top drawer and you would like to think he might end up in something like the Supreme. He's a real nice type and he won by a long way at Tipperary. I'm not 100 per cent sure where he'll start back yet. We'll see what his work is like over the next few weeks."

[Lobos]

Depends which one you read.....

He's on"ly had three runs - one more and he's qualified for the County Hurdle! I'm told he's well up in the betting for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle and he jumps well and is a real nice type, so we'll probably go down the Supreme route. But he could run in the Gallaghers. I'm very happy with him and he's a real nice type to have as a novice this season.
He did what he had to do at Tipperary and there was probably no depth in the race but the ground was nice and we thought before we threw him out to grass we'd see him one more time on the racecourse. We probably have to look at the Royal Bond. It's a Grade 2 this year but that will be fine and whether he has a run before then I doubt it."

[ComplyOrDie]

Depends which one you read.....

He's on"ly had three runs - one more and he's qualified for the County Hurdle! I'm told he's well up in the betting for the Supreme Novices' Hurdle and he jumps well and is a real nice type, so we'll probably go down the Supreme route. But he could run in the Gallaghers. I'm very happy with him and he's a real nice type to have as a novice this season.
He did what he had to do at Tipperary and there was probably no depth in the race but the ground was nice and we thought before we threw him out to grass we'd see him one more time on the racecourse. We probably have to look at the Royal Bond. It's a Grade 2 this year but that will be fine and whether he has a run before then I doubt it."

I think it's an option IF, and only if he's beat well, over 2m, which is pretty obvious really.

I think he's Supreme bound, otherwise.

[Lobos]

I think it's an option IF, and only if he's beat well, over 2m, which is pretty obvious really.

I think he's Supreme bound, otherwise.

Wouldn't disagree and that's how I view it but 50/1 is just wrong especially where a Mullins Novice Hurdler is concerned and is worth covering. Over the years his best tend to end up in the mid trip race. For me it more often than not turns out to be the softer race to win.

[OffTheBridle]

Lawlor's of Naas early entries are out. A couple of notable inclusions/omissions.

No Kilgame, which is a slight surprise. Perhaps he's being kept to 2 miles this year. We may learn more tomorrow.

Salvator Mundi and Kel Histoire are included which implies that they are at least in consideration for the mid-trip. I appreciate that Willie block books, but he hasn't included all of his good novice hurdlers here. No Kaid D'authie, Redemption Day, Irancy, for example.

https://status.hri-ras.ie/entries/Microsoft_Word__2025_ONOR004.PDF?id=1&v=20241212024502

I'm thinking that running in the Lawlors of Naas is a negative for horses this year. Poor RPRs so far and not enough runs for horses.
Only 2 winners in the last 7 years came from the Lawlors and both horses had posted 142+ by around this time of year, Envoi Allen and Bob Olinger.
None of the horses entered are near that at the minute. Salvator Mundi (135)and Supasundae (137) from May and March are the closest and neither will go to Naas.
Most horses will be going for there 2nd run at Naas which is one less than Envoi Allen and bob Olinger.
Then only having 2 runs over hurdles before Cheltenham is a negative for experience.

[Exar Essay]

I'm thinking that running in the Lawlors of Naas is a negative for horses this year. Poor RPRs so far and not enough runs for horses.
Only 2 winners in the last 7 years came from the Lawlors and both horses had posted 142+ by around this time of year, Envoi Allen and Bob Olinger.
None of the horses entered are near that at the minute. Salvator Mundi (135)and Supasundae (137) from May and March are the closest and neither will go to Naas.
Most horses will be going for there 2nd run at Naas which is one less than Envoi Allen and bob Olinger.
Then only having 2 runs over hurdles before Cheltenham is a negative for experience.

Fair point. I wondered if the field would be weaker this year too, with many not having been seen yet due to the ground. I think most of Willies will only have 2 runs before this year.

Out of interest, what makes you think Supersundae wouldn’t run?

[OffTheBridle]

Fair point. I wondered if the field would be weaker this year too, with many not having been seen yet due to the ground. I think most of Willies will only have 2 runs before this year.

Out of interest, what makes you think Supersundae wouldn’t run?

My thinking is if Supasundae runs at Naas I can't have him for anything so thats why i don't see him running there. He hasn't enough runs and if he runs after Naas its a negative going on past Lawlor's with Envoi and Bob going straight to the fez.
Run him in 2m at Christmas in Leopardstown, flop he is handicap horse, finish in top 2 he is still on for a graded race at Cheltenham, then go 2m at DRF and up him for Ballymore. That's his best route to the Fez for me.

[Carnage at Taunton]

Wouldn't disagree and that's how I view it but 50/1 is just wrong especially where a Mullins Novice Hurdler is concerned and is worth covering. Over the years his best tend to end up in the mid trip race. For me it more often than not turns out to be the softer race to win.

Yeah, 50 is worth taking as a Just in case type bet.
Ive done it…….Just in case!!

[Yosser]

Yeah, 50 is worth taking as a Just in case type bet.
Ive done it…….Just in case!!

I did half stakes on it a while back for the same reason. It's not uncommon for Willies to need a run and not uncommon for them to be beaten first time out, it's also not uncommon for Willie to say something like 'maybe he needs a trip' and then be slashed into 12s it's well worth having at that price just to cover the decent prices for the supreme at this stage

[Craigy14]

Wouldn't disagree and that's how I view it but 50/1 is just wrong especially where a Mullins Novice Hurdler is concerned and is worth covering. Over the years his best tend to end up in the mid trip race. For me it more often than not turns out to be the softer race to win.

That’s not true now is it mate?

Recently possibly but I’d say it’s more supreme than Ballymore over the years.

[Exar Essay]

That’s not true now is it mate?

Recently possibly but I’d say it’s more supreme than Ballymore over the years.

No, that doesn’t appear to be the case. IEP was his best novice hurdler. But going in to the festival, Favile Vega was his no.1.

However, I genuinely believe that given his embarrassment of riches, the similarity of races, and the ‘uniqueness’ of Irish maidens, Willie has very little idea what trip any of his will ultimately run over until at least after Xmas. I think the usefulness of trends is diminishing in this respect.

I’ve taken the view this year that I’ll cover for both races in the hope that if the horse runs well, it’ll shorten for both and I can trade out once I’m in a position to make a decision on an ultimate target.

[Lobos]

That’s not true now is it mate?

Recently possibly but I’d say it’s more supreme than Ballymore over the years.

Ummmmm, dunno really. Close id say but that's a discussion for another time. The main point is that 50/1 is too big to ignore. I tried to dismiss backing him for the Ballymore but couldn't as I ran out of excuses.

[Craigy14]

No, that doesn’t appear to be the case. IEP was his best novice hurdler. But going in to the festival, Favile Vega was his no.1.

However, I genuinely believe that given his embarrassment of riches, the similarity of races, and the ‘uniqueness’ of Irish maidens, Willie has very little idea what trip any of his will ultimately run over until at least after Xmas. I think the usefulness of trends is diminishing in this respect.

I’ve taken the view this year that I’ll cover for both races in the hope that if the horse runs well, it’ll shorten for both and I can trade out once I’m in a position to make a decision on an ultimate target.

Yeah agree with that mate, I think most of his better novices are suited to both races. There will be the odd horse that ‘has’ to be kept to 2m or the intermediate but not often. A lot of the time horses have ran over 2m and went Ballymore. We already know WPM lets them do their talking on the track, with regards to performance and how they suit the trip.

[Craigy14]

Ummmmm, dunno really. Close id say but that's a discussion for another time. The main point is that 50/1 is too big to ignore. I tried to dismiss backing him for the Ballymore but couldn't as I ran out of excuses.

Agree with that mate, if you fancy him for the Supreme then you have to cover for the Ballymore imo.

Which reminds me