this week's entries

[Lobos]

Tiger Bay Queen also in the mares maiden on Sunday

Plenty of rain around this week so hopefully a few interesting ones get declared

Yeah, don't forget the winner

[FinalFurlong91]

Would Thursday 19th then 3rd November be too close a turnaround for Gordon Elliott to run Brighterdaysahead at Down Royal in the Grade 3 Mares Race?

Unless she won on the snaff it'd be unlikely you'd think

[Craigy14]

Am I the only one missing something with Brighterdaysahead?

She is well related being a half sister to mighty potter but what she’s produced on the track thus far I’m failing to see where all the hype is? Considering she is 10/1 and less for the mares novice.

The races she’s ran in, granted first time she won as she liked (receiving 12lbs). Her second run was certainly nothing to be excited about imo, again receiving 12lbs from the second, had be be nudged along in the final furlong to seal the deal. Neither horse in behind has done hee haw for the form.

I know Gordon and Jack have talked her up a fair bit but for the price she is, it doesn’t seem justified. What price was she initially in the mares novice market?

It may be on I’ve maybe just missed the boat with, if she was 20/1, I’d probably see the attraction to get her onside but not at 10/1 and under.

[BookieBasher]

Am I the only one missing something with Brighterdaysahead?

She is well related being a half sister to mighty potter but what she’s produced on the track thus far I’m failing to see where all the hype is? Considering she is 10/1 and less for the mares novice.

The races she’s ran in, granted first time she won as she liked (receiving 12lbs). Her second run was certainly nothing to be excited about imo, again receiving 12lbs from the second, had be be nudged along in the final furlong to seal the deal. Neither horse in behind has done hee haw for the form.

I know Gordon and Jack have talked her up a fair bit but for the price she is, it doesn’t seem justified. What price was she initially in the mares novice market?

It may be on I’ve maybe just missed the boat with, if she was 20/1, I’d probably see the attraction to get her onside but not at 10/1 and under.

She did open up at 20s with 365 and that was a price I took. But at 10s I certainly won’t be topping up on her until she proves it on track. Definitely stable whispers have had her price trimmed in the last few months

[darlojim]

Am I the only one missing something with Brighterdaysahead?

She is well related being a half sister to mighty potter but what she’s produced on the track thus far I’m failing to see where all the hype is? Considering she is 10/1 and less for the mares novice.

The races she’s ran in, granted first time she won as she liked (receiving 12lbs). Her second run was certainly nothing to be excited about imo, again receiving 12lbs from the second, had be be nudged along in the final furlong to seal the deal. Neither horse in behind has done hee haw for the form.

I know Gordon and Jack have talked her up a fair bit but for the price she is, it doesn’t seem justified. What price was she initially in the mares novice market?

It may be on I’ve maybe just missed the boat with, if she was 20/1, I’d probably see the attraction to get her onside but not at 10/1 and under.

3rd and 4th from the sales bumper havent ran since, but Skelton now has the 5th who hacked up on hurdle debut. Dee capo has also won a bumper easily beating a fair sort in Sattam. The yard are also hugely bullish about her this season, think Jack put her up as the one to follow from the yard for the season, that speaks volumes. I believe she was 20s prior to Fairyhouse.

[Craigy14]

Thanks both, that adds a little context.

I probably should have looked at more than just finished second but was just quickly having a look as I noticed she was entered and wondered where the fascination was from.

As you say 20/1 seems fair to get involved but halving in price just seems a piss take and sum up the world we are living in antepost at the minute. I know others have had similar cuts, Mr Policeman is one, but we know a lot more than we do Brighterdaysahead with that one.

[AaronLad]

Thanks both, that adds a little context.

I probably should have looked at more than just finished second but was just quickly having a look as I noticed she was entered and wondered where the fascination was from.

As you say 20/1 seems fair to get involved but halving in price just seems a piss take and sum up the world we are living in antepost at the minute. I know others have had similar cuts, Mr Policeman is one, but we know a lot more than we do Brighterdaysahead with that one.

Are you sure we know more about mr policeman? he's yet to jump a fence in public, brighterdaysahead yet to jump a hurdle.
Hurdles i would assume, from a horses point of view are easier to get over than a fence?
You'd think the mares target was more certain too

I'm not being awkward just interested why you think that.

[Craigy14]

Are you sure we know more about mr policeman? he's yet to jump a fence in public, brighterdaysahead yet to jump a hurdle.
Hurdles i would assume, from a horses point of view are easier to get over than a fence?
You'd think the mares target was more certain too

I'm not being awkward just interested why you think that.

I’d say we do, he’s ran over obstacles 3 times, yes it’s hurdles but it’s still obstacles.

Not all horses find hurdles easier, Facile Vega was a pretty poor jumper of hurdles yet hasn’t stopped folk being confident on how they think he’ll handle fences.

I suppose it’s all subjective to each individual horse.

If you are asking who I would rather back both at 10/1 it would be mister policeman all day.

I’d say his target is pretty clear as well at present.

[Craigy14]

3rd and 4th from the sales bumper havent ran since, but Skelton now has the 5th who hacked up on hurdle debut. Dee capo has also won a bumper easily beating a fair sort in Sattam. The yard are also hugely bullish about her this season, think Jack put her up as the one to follow from the yard for the season, that speaks volumes. I believe she was 20s prior to Fairyhouse.

Just in response to the form I don’t buy the Dee capo beating sattam as much of a positive Jim. Sattam was beaten twice before, only recording a 103 rpr at best and Dee capo only given 109 for his win at the third attempt.

[AaronLad]

I’d say we do, he’s ran over obstacles 3 times, yes it’s hurdles but it’s still obstacles.

Not all horses find hurdles easier, Facile Vega was a pretty poor jumper of hurdles yet hasn’t stopped folk being confident on how they think he’ll handle fences.

Facile vega is in the same boat as the copper

I suppose it’s all subjective to each individual horse.

If you are asking who I would rather back both at 10/1 it would be mister policeman all day.

No i'm not asking that

I’d say his target is pretty clear as well at present
A mullins horse with a clear target.. you're more confident than me.
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All in all we know no more of the copper than we do the mare craigy unless it suits your narrative like it did you just then

[darlojim]

Just in response to the form I don’t buy the Dee capo beating sattam as much of a positive Jim. Sattam was beaten twice before, only recording a 103 rpr at best and Dee capo only given 109 for his win at the third attempt.

Yeah I was just pointing out some of the form in behind her mate, obviously the skelton horse though had shown some nice promise who was readily beaten by her

[Craigy14]

All in all we know no more of the copper than we do the mare craigy unless it suits your narrative like it did you just then

That’s your opinion, my opinion is we do know more. Has mister policeman hit a decent level over obstacles…..yes he has rpr of 150 and there is a bit substance to the hurdle form with Fils Doudairies now rated 148 or. So with that I’d say it’s likely if he takes to fences coupled with the potential to improve with the little experience he has that he’ll take high rank in the novice chase division.

Facile vega is in the same boat regarding going over fences but you made the point of horses finding hurdles easier so I was pointing out it’s not always the case given recent history with Facile Vega who hurdles poorly imo.

I’d say it’s far easier to form an opinion of a horse going from hurdles to fences with what we know of it’s racing to date than it is from flat races to hurdles.

You clearly think different or are just trying to create an argument from nothing.

[Craigy14]

Yeah I was just pointing out some of the form in behind her mate, obviously the skelton horse though had shown some nice promise who was readily beaten by her

Aye, I can see that. I think it’s the price thing, I hadn’t even noticed her half in price to that short. I knew she’d been spoken about positively but halving in price seems extreme unless everyone has been wading in

[Exar Essay]

Are you sure we know more about mr policeman? he's yet to jump a fence in public, brighterdaysahead yet to jump a hurdle.
Hurdles i would assume, from a horses point of view are easier to get over than a fence?
You'd think the mares target was more certain too

I'm not being awkward just interested why you think that.

I’ve personally always found hurdle form a far better indicator of chase potential than I have bumper form an indicator of hurdle potential. I assume that’s because the difference between no jumping and jumping has a greater impact on a horses ability than the difference between the two different jumping techniques.

So from my perpspective, I’d be more certain that Mister Policeman will take to fences than I would Brighterdaysahead taking to hurdles. That being said, I do think both will excel this season.

I also think the French hurdles are stiffer than British, and closer to fences which adds a wee bit more confidence in Mister Policeman.

[Captain Chris]

You should probably also factor in the trainer when assessing confidence levels. In Mister Policeman's case, he's with the master!