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Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
Flat bred, from French Hurdles, says Supreme to me. A fair bit of speed in the pedigree, Vadamos (who it looks like Gordon has taken a liking too as same sire as King Of Kingsfield), was a top class miler and the dams sire produced the likes of Melon (Supreme 2nd), Song For Someone (multiple winner over 2m including Grade 2's) & Redicean (Good juvenile hurdler, 6th in 2018 Triumph).
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Originally posted by Atlantic Viking View PostQuite happy to sit out the King of Kingsfield pile on for now, on breeding alone he makes very little appeal. Can anyone honestly envisage a horse with his profile being the best bumper horse around?! I'd be very disappointed if he was, it'd have to be a bang average year at best, i'm finding it difficult to imagine him even placing. Sexy looking RPR from his PTP but there's barely any form to go on from it (Not KOK's fault) and what there is is total dog egg. Gigginstown with all they've had in their armoury down the years have never had anything in the first 3 of the bumper. It's not for me Clive.
Not sure I’m on board with the rest though. I’ve said this a few times but PTP form is not something I’d ever let effect much judgement. If you had time to look back at some of the best horses to come from the points, you’d probably find barely any form in behind their victories either. I think too much has been made recently of Barry The Butcher and An Tobar having this amazing form from their races, but they are outliers in my opinion.
Vadamos has only recently moved to Coolmore to stand as a National Hunt sire so that indicates their opinion of him being able to sire NH horses in the future. It also means he’ll start to receive a different type of mare now too.
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Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post
Kyrov form has flattened out a bit in his last two runs so he’ll need to bounce back. He’s entered on Friday against the best 4yo in France (Hawaii Du Berlais) so that will be a chance to see how he stacks up again. Interestingly there is a potential form line to Irish Point in the same race. Il Est Francais makes his third start over hurdles (up in grade) and he finished second behind Irish Point in his grade one bumper win.
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Cougar in the 3 year old hurdle is a decent horse to oppose Old Victoria. Let's see how she copes with him.
I'm interested to see it they've cured Vanilliers spine problems and his jumping improves. He has a decent engine but may be a bit short for him.
Honky Tonk is related to Arctic Fire who was a good horse on the flat and hurdles. If he has similar ability he could make a race of it with KOK
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