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Cheltenham 2023 - Early fancies

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  • Originally posted by BookieBasher View Post

    Was a very impressive outing. Can see the horse maybe being like JWM this year as to whether he’s a Ballymore or Bartlett horse. With James Gate, Gaelic Warrior and potentially FV, Willie will have a strong hand in the Ballymore which could lean to tilt at 3m. I’ve backed for both at 20/1 and hopefully can cash one out if plans become clearer when entries next season come out
    It was a very poor bumper. He wouldn't be on my mind for Cheltenham until I saw him in a decent hurdle race.

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    • ….Hills 16-1 TMSG for Mares Hurdle is a bit of a stand-out.

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      • Originally posted by Eggs View Post
        ….Hills 16-1 TMSG for Mares Hurdle is a bit of a stand-out.
        Understatement of the year. Mahoosive standout !!

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        • Interested to see how Demandrivingdouvan runs in the bumper today

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          • Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post
            Interested to see how Demandrivingdouvan runs in the bumper today
            Still time but doesn't seem too strong in the market at the moment from odds on to 5/4 with sky at the moment

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            • Given a poor ride there. Very keen and bounced about.

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              • Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post
                Given a poor ride there. Very keen and bounced about.
                yeah, will have to learn and improve a lot to be winning at Cheltenham mind you.

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                • An Tobar wins all from the president of the An Tobar fan club.

                  It was a poorish ride but he should have won from that position.

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                  • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post
                    An Tobar wins all from the president of the An Tobar fan club.

                    It was a poorish ride but he should have won from that position.
                    He should have won if connections had pretensions to winning a Supreme or Ballymore.

                    The stables out of form, and the horse looks a beautiful big horse, with scope to jump fence.

                    Some trainers would say about a season over Hurdles
                    "anything he does this year is a bonus, as hes going to be at his best as a chaser"

                    I would agree with that sentiment.
                    Last edited by Saxon Warrior; 29 May 2022, 08:17 AM.
                    "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                    • Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post

                      yeah, will have to learn and improve a lot to be winning at Cheltenham mind you.
                      Looks like he'll make a decent staying chaser in time

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                      • Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post

                        He should have won if connections had pretensions to winning a Supreme or Ballymore.

                        The stables put of form, and thr horse looks a beautiful big horse, with scope to jump fence.

                        Some trainers would say about a season over Hurdles
                        "anything he does this year is a bonus, as hes going to be at his best as a chaser"

                        I would agree with that sentiment.
                        I wouldn't be put off him for the AB but I wanted to see a bit of a turn of foot for the Supreme. I only really back 1 or 2 per race at Cheltenham and I don't think he will be on the list at the moment.

                        I should put my footer as An Tobar for the Ballymore as I'm so confident he's a machine. Same feeling I had from Constitution Hill last year and I'm quietly getting my stakes on him this summer.

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                        • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post

                          I wouldn't be put off him for the AB but I wanted to see a bit of a turn of foot for the Supreme. I only really back 1 or 2 per race at Cheltenham and I don't think he will be on the list at the moment.

                          I should put my footer as An Tobar for the Ballymore as I'm so confident he's a machine. Same feeling I had from Constitution Hill last year and I'm quietly getting my stakes on him this summer.
                          I think the Albert Bartlett is a better option than the other two (though I am not moved to back him on that performance, and we rarely know the Bartlett winner this far out).

                          The form off DDD's P2P is looking dreadful with most of those behind him that have ran again have Pulled Up.

                          I have backed An Tobar for the Ballymore though.
                          One of my more speculative bets so far.
                          However the next 6 horses behind him have now produced 5 individual winners and 1 runner-up (who also Fell at the last when challenging for the lead in another race).

                          That form looks rock solid and An Tobar is a 1/2-brother to Elle Est Belle too.
                          Last edited by Saxon Warrior; 29 May 2022, 03:17 PM.
                          "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                          • Hills have priced up luccia to win the mares novice at 25/1

                            She looked extremely good in both bumpers this looks very generous to me

                            “She looked good there, didn’t she? I said to her owner, ‘There’s a nice novice hurdle for her in a week’s time’, and before I could get out ‘in a year’s time’, he thought I was going to run her next week (at Cheltenham). I thought she would win at Warwick.

                            “I thought we would win this, until Milton (Harris) suddenly came with the horse who looked as if she would go to the Champion Bumper (Mullenbeg) and all that rain overnight, and put what would have been nice ground here today, back to where it has been all winter – horrible. And it didn’t seem to bother her at all.

                            “I thought it would run to speed – which she has got – so she could go to Aintree for that mares’ bumper. It is either Aintree or bed – one of the two. The obvious objective is a week’s time next year, the mares’ novice hurdle at Cheltenham.

                            I'd have her well shorter than 25s personally

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                            • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
                              Hills have priced up luccia to win the mares novice at 25/1

                              She looked extremely good in both bumpers this looks very generous to me

                              “She looked good there, didn’t she? I said to her owner, ‘There’s a nice novice hurdle for her in a week’s time’, and before I could get out ‘in a year’s time’, he thought I was going to run her next week (at Cheltenham). I thought she would win at Warwick.

                              “I thought we would win this, until Milton (Harris) suddenly came with the horse who looked as if she would go to the Champion Bumper (Mullenbeg) and all that rain overnight, and put what would have been nice ground here today, back to where it has been all winter – horrible. And it didn’t seem to bother her at all.

                              “I thought it would run to speed – which she has got – so she could go to Aintree for that mares’ bumper. It is either Aintree or bed – one of the two. The obvious objective is a week’s time next year, the mares’ novice hurdle at Cheltenham.

                              I'd have her well shorter than 25s personally
                              That is an insane price.
                              Was it loaded up today?

                              She was slashed to 10s and 7s by the price-cutters Skybet and Unibet after that March Bumper win.

                              They're too short of course, but 25/1 should be considered a good price and taken very quickly.

                              It's under the radar at the moment as its not pulling through on Oddschecker yet.

                              She beat Eabha Grace by 1/2 a furlong yet she's only 16s

                              Bet365 are quoting on the MNH, but she's not in the market with them yet.

                              May be worth a price request for her today, to see if they match the 25s.
                              If they do, snap it up with cashout.
                              And let FJ members know.
                              Last edited by Saxon Warrior; 30 May 2022, 09:38 AM.
                              "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                              • Great spot FinalFurlong91 - she's now been cut to 20-1 with WH but worth a punt in my book.

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