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The ULTIMA Handicap Chase

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  • I feel like these horses have no chance, or shown nothing at all to make them appealing at the prices

    No hopers

    Soupy Soups
    Fingerontheswitch
    The Wolf
    Nietzsche
    Delire DEstruval
    Admirals Secret
    Ok Corral - clutching at a 2019 win over Secret Investor... beat Fingerontheswitch who I give no chance and trainer claimed it was because of the flatter track.... PU in the NH Chase.... can't see it!


    Ones you could give a chance too, if they drifted

    Discordantly - only in this list because hasn't completed the last twice and going fine in the Thystes..... short at 16s though at the moment given that is the angle.
    Pym - beat If The Cap Fits.... which is, just, alright. If he drifted I would be interested but 14/1 is a tiny bit tight
    Alnadam - never tried 3 miles. He's progressive but 12/1? Sick emoji!


    Ones worth considering 7 places...

    Vintage Clouds at 16/1 - placed in this race off 141 and 144 - currently 143. Was 8th last year off of 151.

    Cepage at 12/1 - came 7th last year, 3 lbs higher now BUT if there is any 'good' in the going, would he hold on a bit longer? Not like he has a ground preference from what I can see, but I really fancy he'll run to his rating, and are there 7 horses we can find better than him?! Now he's a bit older, perhaps the trip is what he needs? (can't you tell I really want to back this horse)

    Pym I suppose at 14/1 despite being in the above, you'd consider him as not sure 7 are better.

    Milan Native 9/1 - 7 places - Kim Muir winner.... he's not gonna be out of the first 7.

    Aye Right 11/2 - 7 places, good jockey booking, obvious claims.

    One For The Team - 11/2 - 7 places, the run behind Next Destination is what's interesting (RELATED DOUBLE ALERT) .... I'd definitely, definitely fancy Next Destination more if OFTT has won the Ultima, that's a good'un....the trainer and this race deserve a mention but he is a bit short perhaps?

    Happygolucky - 100% in the first 7 if completing.








    So essentially, I'm tempted to back Vintage Clouds again, and am leaning towards getting perhaps Pym and Cepage backed 7 places....

    Now obviously the ones I've ruled out are the bigger prices, but I tried really hard and couldn't see any angle at all other than leaps of faith. Niezsche in particular, what on earth is he doing in this race.






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    • Note that although Sky pay 7 places this only applies if all 16 go, 14 or 15 runners they pay 6 places.
      Also, there’s no place only market that I can see so you are ‘wasting’ the win part of all each way plays...

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      • I’ve gone OTT with Skybets extra places which is a bit dull on reflection with no cash out available. I still stand by my 3 original fancies for this race which are:

        Happygolucky - backed him TWAR in May and topped up at 25/1 & 20/1. I really hope he gets around and does Spectre and the forum proud. He’s got a great chance.

        Aye Right - not from a fashionable yard but got a brilliant jockey on board even if Dicky’s Cheltenham record is not good but Aye Right has a nice combination of experience and match fitness so I expect him to definitely be involved at the finish. Nabbed him at 25/1 when the Ultima market appeared on B365, I really like the horse.

        Pym - not only does he have a brilliant sounding surname I think he’s got a genuine live chance. He’s got C&D, jumps well and prefers better ground. I think he is more than capable of winning if he can keep up with the better handicapped horses.

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        • Originally posted by The King Pimm View Post
          I’ve gone OTT with Skybets extra places which is a bit dull on reflection with no cash out available
          No cashout but the betfair market is maturing all the time so you can trade your position on the exchange...

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          • Originally posted by The King Pimm View Post
            I’ve gone OTT with Skybets extra places which is a bit dull on reflection with no cash out available. I still stand by my 3 original fancies for this race which are:

            Happygolucky - backed him TWAR in May and topped up at 25/1 & 20/1. I really hope he gets around and does Spectre and the forum proud. He’s got a great chance.

            Aye Right - not from a fashionable yard but got a brilliant jockey on board even if Dicky’s Cheltenham record is not good but Aye Right has a nice combination of experience and match fitness so I expect him to definitely be involved at the finish. Nabbed him at 25/1 when the Ultima market appeared on B365, I really like the horse.

            Pym - not only does he have a brilliant sounding surname I think he’s got a genuine live chance. He’s got C&D, jumps well and prefers better ground. I think he is more than capable of winning if he can keep up with the better handicapped horses.
            Johnson has 23 festival winners fourth most ever it’s not that bad?

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            • Originally posted by Muswell View Post

              Johnson has 23 festival winners fourth most ever it’s not that bad?
              Has he really?? I’ve always been under the impression his record at the Cheltenham Festival was poor....I stand corrected and will get the winch ready to wind my neck back in!!!! I’m wrong so Aye Right it is then

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              • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

                No cashout but the betfair market is maturing all the time so you can trade your position on the exchange...
                I’ve still not worked out how to lay on the exchanges....this is the 5th festival where I’ve not sorted out learning how to do this by the time it starts I just keep adding bets until I’ve guaranteed myself a win, just like turning up the water pressure instead of trying to fix the hole in the hose pipe!!

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                • Originally posted by The King Pimm View Post

                  Has he really?? I’ve always been under the impression his record at the Cheltenham Festival was poor....I stand corrected and will get the winch ready to wind my neck back in!!!! I’m wrong so Aye Right it is then
                  I had to look it up myself but apparently so

                  Richard Johnson will be the leading current jockey at the Cheltenham Festival with 23 successes to his name and the veteran jockey is hopeful of adding to his tally next week.


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                  • Originally posted by The King Pimm View Post

                    I’ve still not worked out how to lay on the exchanges....this is the 5th festival where I’ve not sorted out learning how to do this by the time it starts I just keep adding bets until I’ve guaranteed myself a win, just like turning up the water pressure instead of trying to fix the hole in the hose pipe!!
                    They used to have an education/learn how to trade video on the website, not sure it’s still there but worth looking...

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                    • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                      I feel like these horses have no chance, or shown nothing at all to make them appealing at the prices

                      No hopers

                      Soupy Soups
                      Fingerontheswitch
                      The Wolf
                      Nietzsche
                      Delire DEstruval
                      Admirals Secret
                      Ok Corral - clutching at a 2019 win over Secret Investor... beat Fingerontheswitch who I give no chance and trainer claimed it was because of the flatter track.... PU in the NH Chase.... can't see it!


                      Ones you could give a chance too, if they drifted

                      Discordantly - only in this list because hasn't completed the last twice and going fine in the Thystes..... short at 16s though at the moment given that is the angle.
                      Pym - beat If The Cap Fits.... which is, just, alright. If he drifted I would be interested but 14/1 is a tiny bit tight
                      Alnadam - never tried 3 miles. He's progressive but 12/1? Sick emoji!


                      Ones worth considering 7 places...

                      Vintage Clouds at 16/1 - placed in this race off 141 and 144 - currently 143. Was 8th last year off of 151.

                      Cepage at 12/1 - came 7th last year, 3 lbs higher now BUT if there is any 'good' in the going, would he hold on a bit longer? Not like he has a ground preference from what I can see, but I really fancy he'll run to his rating, and are there 7 horses we can find better than him?! Now he's a bit older, perhaps the trip is what he needs? (can't you tell I really want to back this horse)

                      Pym I suppose at 14/1 despite being in the above, you'd consider him as not sure 7 are better.

                      Milan Native 9/1 - 7 places - Kim Muir winner.... he's not gonna be out of the first 7.

                      Aye Right 11/2 - 7 places, good jockey booking, obvious claims.

                      One For The Team - 11/2 - 7 places, the run behind Next Destination is what's interesting (RELATED DOUBLE ALERT) .... I'd definitely, definitely fancy Next Destination more if OFTT has won the Ultima, that's a good'un....the trainer and this race deserve a mention but he is a bit short perhaps?

                      Happygolucky - 100% in the first 7 if completing.








                      So essentially, I'm tempted to back Vintage Clouds again, and am leaning towards getting perhaps Pym and Cepage backed 7 places....

                      Now obviously the ones I've ruled out are the bigger prices, but I tried really hard and couldn't see any angle at all other than leaps of faith. Niezsche in particular, what on earth is he doing in this race.





                      I actually give The Wolf a small ew squeak. Like most I’m on HGL ew at all rates down so not wanting to overly analyse & find others as I genuinely think he wins. The Wolf however caught my eye for a few obvious reasons: Olly Murphy target training, owner representative after switching ET to NHC, comes from that red hot potato race last year. Fancy he’ll run on into a place so had a few bob ew but this race is all about HGL - would start the week off brilliantly as in so many multiples at fancy prices too!

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                      • I thought I had backed Milan Native at 25/1 for this back in early February but I can’t find the bet anywhere......I’m gutted as the price has shortened massively

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                        • Originally posted by The King Pimm View Post
                          I thought I had backed Milan Native at 25/1 for this back in early February but I can’t find the bet anywhere......I’m gutted as the price has shortened massively
                          ....perhaps it’s in your Grand National bets. Let’s hope it wins and you find a nice surprise in your balance.

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                          • Originally posted by Eggs View Post

                            ....perhaps it’s in your Grand National bets. Let’s hope it wins and you find a nice surprise in your balance.
                            I can’t find it....I’m going to have to take the hit and take the 9’s

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                            • Originally posted by Splinterboy82 View Post

                              I actually give The Wolf a small ew squeak. Like most I’m on HGL ew at all rates down so not wanting to overly analyse & find others as I genuinely think he wins. The Wolf however caught my eye for a few obvious reasons: Olly Murphy target training, owner representative after switching ET to NHC, comes from that red hot potato race last year. Fancy he’ll run on into a place so had a few bob ew but this race is all about HGL - would start the week off brilliantly as in so many multiples at fancy prices too!
                              He's on my radar in the place market. Watch the AB last year and made a bad mistake at the end and must have flew up the hill. Nicer ground will suit. If I can get 6/1 or higher for top 4 he's a solid bet.

                              *7.7 on Betfair Place Market so taken some of that.
                              Last edited by DenmanSacre; 15 March 2021, 09:48 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                                I feel like these horses have no chance, or shown nothing at all to make them appealing at the prices

                                No hopers

                                Soupy Soups
                                Fingerontheswitch
                                The Wolf
                                Nietzsche
                                Delire DEstruval
                                Admirals Secret
                                Ok Corral - clutching at a 2019 win over Secret Investor... beat Fingerontheswitch who I give no chance and trainer claimed it was because of the flatter track.... PU in the NH Chase.... can't see it!


                                Ones you could give a chance too, if they drifted

                                Discordantly - only in this list because hasn't completed the last twice and going fine in the Thystes..... short at 16s though at the moment given that is the angle.
                                Pym - beat If The Cap Fits.... which is, just, alright. If he drifted I would be interested but 14/1 is a tiny bit tight
                                Alnadam - never tried 3 miles. He's progressive but 12/1? Sick emoji!


                                Ones worth considering 7 places...

                                Vintage Clouds at 16/1 - placed in this race off 141 and 144 - currently 143. Was 8th last year off of 151.

                                Cepage at 12/1 - came 7th last year, 3 lbs higher now BUT if there is any 'good' in the going, would he hold on a bit longer? Not like he has a ground preference from what I can see, but I really fancy he'll run to his rating, and are there 7 horses we can find better than him?! Now he's a bit older, perhaps the trip is what he needs? (can't you tell I really want to back this horse)

                                Pym I suppose at 14/1 despite being in the above, you'd consider him as not sure 7 are better.

                                Milan Native 9/1 - 7 places - Kim Muir winner.... he's not gonna be out of the first 7.

                                Aye Right 11/2 - 7 places, good jockey booking, obvious claims.

                                One For The Team - 11/2 - 7 places, the run behind Next Destination is what's interesting (RELATED DOUBLE ALERT) .... I'd definitely, definitely fancy Next Destination more if OFTT has won the Ultima, that's a good'un....the trainer and this race deserve a mention but he is a bit short perhaps?

                                Happygolucky - 100% in the first 7 if completing.








                                So essentially, I'm tempted to back Vintage Clouds again, and am leaning towards getting perhaps Pym and Cepage backed 7 places....

                                Now obviously the ones I've ruled out are the bigger prices, but I tried really hard and couldn't see any angle at all other than leaps of faith. Niezsche in particular, what on earth is he doing in this race.





                                Excellent summary of the race Kev. Of your 'No hopes' though; the only one of interest for me is Fingerontheswitch.

                                Only beause: 7/8 last winners have worn some form of headgear, which is a fairly notable stat. Wears cheekpices.
                                Also: Millie Wonnacott - has a strike rate of 22% which is decent and is riding pretty well at the minute (from albeit a fairly limited number of rides).

                                Worth an EW poke if Sky still paying 7 places on the day.

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