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The Boodles Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

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  • #61
    Originally posted by Lobos View Post

    Goshen was beating far better horses in his early races. There's no comparison.
    Far better is probably a stretch, but he was beating better horses for sure. They expect Nassalam to win tomorrow though.

    I don't think he'll be winning the Triumph though, despite having him backed. Could place which is why I'm keeping the bet open, although I think the Irish have the better juveniles this season.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

      Far better is probably a stretch, but he was beating better horses for sure. They expect Nassalam to win tomorrow though.

      I don't think he'll be winning the Triumph though, despite having him backed. Could place which is why I'm keeping the bet open, although I think the Irish have the better juveniles this season.
      Probably hoping rather than expecting he wins tomorrow. He may win but on form Adagio should be fav.

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      • #63
        As posted in the handicap thread, Elham Valley ran today like he was coming here....

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        • #64
          Sage Advice was impressive in the first at Kempton, decent irish flat horse. Hope the Dr targets here rather than the Triumph...

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          • #65
            This is something I wrote in my diary. I've added it here because I forget sometimes that not everyone can see it:

            'One I will mention specifically is Longclaw. Qualified early for his mark, and smartly run quietly behind Duffle Coat back in October at Wetherby. They haven't hidden Duffle Coat away this season, and he could be Triumph bound as the stable 3rd string off a mark of 142 and rising without leaving his box, or it's feasible he also goes to the Boodles near the top of the handicap. Whichever route I'm sure he'll run a solid race'.

            'Longlaw based on Duffle Coat's mark is probably going to get something like 133 in the Boodles. I can't see how the assessor can give him much more. The handicapper is going to struggle to give him more than that after the Wetherby run that's under his jurisdiction. A peak 90 flat turf mark is easily in the right range, he clearly prefers the better ground that he's likely to get, and it's presumably why Elliott got his runs in early as part of some careful campaigning to link his mark to Duffle Coat. There will be plenty with good profiles for the race come March, and you wouldn't be putting the mortgage on anything this far out, but you can't ignore Elliott's record in this race. This one feels properly laid out as a long term plan, and 20/1 nrnb with PP feels well worth getting onside'.


            Elliott has bossed this race the last few seasons, largely because of the multiple option he has, leaving him able to save one or two good ones for here and to manage their marks. Given the need to get three runs to get a mark, the two obvious ones are this one and Glorious Zoff, who also was given two runs in the UK (a long way) behind Monmiral, and a previous run at Sedgefield. At this point I wouldn't discount either winning the race, but assuming it normal good to soft ground for the Festival, I'm probably leaning slightly towards Longclaw. The caveat being he needs good to soft. If it's soft or worse I'd probably look to get out. And I suspect he'd be saved for elsewhere then anyway. Either way it leaves the double protection of backing nrnb with Paddy Power, or laying on the exchange if it became necessary. It's an Elliott horse in the Boodles, so I'd be confident of a profit in that circumstance.

            It's also possible Duffle Coat comes here off a mark in the mid 140's. Even off top weight or close, his run in November suggests you wouldn't ignore him either, but 10/1 nrnb doesn't appeal.
            Last edited by Spectre; 10 January 2021, 09:31 AM.
            Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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            • #66
              What does everyone think about Nassalam for this? Last two years have been won by Aramax off 138 and Band of Outlaws won off 139 and I do feel this race will start heading to more exposed, classier rivals. So maybe 140 for Nassalam isn't a huge issue.

              I thought he ran well yesterday and would really benefit from a fast run race. I think Id fancy him to reverse the form of the winner in a Championship race so they may still fancy the Triumph. He isn't priced up for this yet mind you.

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              • #67
                He'll go to the Triumph you'd think CCM. His mark is likely to go up again from yesterday.
                Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Spectre View Post
                  He'll go to the Triumph you'd think CCM. His mark is likely to go up again from yesterday.
                  Yes you'd think Triumph more likely, but I was thinking he might stay on 140 and Adagio be raised 6lbs to 142?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Freyno View Post
                    Anyone thinking of backing Hacker Des Places he suffered a nasty cut LTO and currently waiting to see what the damage is
                    Given he’s joint 2nd fav in the betting - for anyone interested - he’ll only be walking for the next month whilst the cut heals so the word is it’ll be at least the end of March before he’s out again.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post

                      Yes you'd think Triumph more likely, but I was thinking he might stay on 140 and Adagio be raised 6lbs to 142?
                      Adagio 146
                      Nassalam 142
                      "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post

                        Adagio 146
                        Nassalam 142
                        Gordon must be worried (if he is thinking Boodles) what revision to Duffle Coats handicap mark is the next time he enters him in England

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Pendil View Post

                          Gordon must be worried (if he is thinking Boodles) what revision to Duffle Coats handicap mark is the next time he enters him in England
                          Yes, a consequential uplift.
                          "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                          • #73
                            Looks a murky picture this race currently with revised marks etc so I have backed Autumn Evening 33/1 ew nrnb alongside my Saint Sam any race bet as both might come here, both were closely matched behind Zan last time out.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post

                              Adagio 146
                              Nassalam 142
                              Saw that cheers Saxon. Thought 10lb's was harsh for the winner myself!

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                              • #75
                                There is a Juvenile Hurdle on Saturday that is the first Key RAC Ebor my Irish Racing Diary.

                                Its full of some interesting entries (first race at Fairyhouse).

                                I will update the diary to point people towards the final decs on Thursday.
                                "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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