The Boodles Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

[Lobos]

I was thinking something similar, with the Boodles now three days before the Triumph, not two days, I thought Gordon may declare Quilixios or Zanahiyr depending on their respective weights, get top-weight, then withdraw him, and declare for the Triumph on the Wednesday morning.

Keep the weights compressed for the Boodles, possibly pushing some out of the handicap.

Don't think they can do that anymore.

[Saxon Warrior]

Don't think they can do that anymore.

I wasn’t sure, certainly they can’t declare in two races at the same time, but if they declare on a Sunday for Tuesday Boodles, then withdraw on the Monday, then they don’t need to declare for the Triumph until Wednesday morning.

Soctechnicaly not double-declaring, but single declaring once, then a second separate time three days later.

What I couldn’t recall is if Cheltenham developed a special rule for the Festival that you couldn’t declare for two races in the whole week, only one.

[Istabraq]

Don't think they can do that anymore.

Yep, they changed declaration rules 2/3 years ago so a horse can only be declared, at final decs stage, for one race at the festival, can only be a good thing...

[Lobos]

I wasn’t sure, certainly they can’t declare in two races at the same time, but if they declare on a Sunday for Tuesday Boodles, then withdraw on the Monday, then they don’t need to declare for the Triumph until Wednesday morning.

Soctechnicaly not double-declaring, but single declaring once, then a second separate time three days later.

What I couldn’t recall is if Cheltenham developed a special rule for the Festival that you couldn’t declare for two races in the whole week, only one.

When you put it that way I'm not sure now at all what the rules are !

[Saxon Warrior]

Yep, they changed declaration rules 2/3 years ago so a horse can only be declared, at final decs stage, for one race at the festival, can only be a good thing...

Yes, it’s certainly the right call.

Hopefully Gordon knows that and doesn’t get caught out declaring Quilixios or Zanahiyr for the Boodles, thus negating their chance of a run in the Triumph

[Istabraq]

I wasn’t sure, certainly they can’t declare in two races at the same time, but if they declare on a Sunday for Tuesday Boodles, then withdraw on the Monday, then they don’t need to declare for the Triumph until Wednesday morning.

Soctechnicaly not double-declaring, but single declaring once, then a second separate time three days later.

What I couldn’t recall is if Cheltenham developed a special rule for the Festival that you couldn’t declare for two races in the whole week, only one.

Yeah I think they made it a rule that no horse could compete in more than one race during the week (festival).
As said in my previous post it can only be a good thing although when the County was the last race of the week it was always interesting seeing those that fell/unseated early in the Coral Cup and Supreme appearing and them getting smashed in the ring...

[Pendil]

Yes, it’s certainly the right call.

Hopefully Gordon knows that and doesn’t get caught out declaring Quilixios or Zanahiyr for the Boodles, thus negating their chance of a run in the Triumph

I don't think its that clear cut but I will stand corrected if someone has better info. If you declare on Sunday for the Supreme on Tuesday then you can't declare for the Ballymore on Wednesday. However if you declare on Sunday for the Boodles on Tuesday and for some reason (travel problems/stone bruise/etc) the horse is withdrawn, IMO you can declare again on Wednesday for the Triumph on Friday.

[Saxon Warrior]

I don't think its that clear cut but I will stand corrected if someone has better info. If you declare on Sunday for the Supreme on Tuesday then you can't declare for the Ballymore on Wednesday. However if you declare on Sunday for the Boodles on Tuesday and for some reason (travel problems/stone bruise/etc) the horse is withdrawn, IMO you can declare again on Wednesday for the Triumph on Friday.

That rationale was was prompted my first post on this.
Must be able to find something definitive online.

[Nortons who]

That rationale was was prompted my first post on this.
Must be able to find something definitive online.

See attached link:

Cheltenham Festival moves to 48 hour declarations - The British Horseracing Authority

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/press_releases/cheltenham-festival-moves-48-hour-declarations/

[Istabraq]

See attached link:

Cheltenham Festival moves to 48 hour declarations - The British Horseracing Authority

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/press_releases/cheltenham-festival-moves-48-hour-declarations/

The link is from 2017/18 NW...

[Istabraq]

Which does answer the question of when 48 hour decs were introduced...

[Nortons who]

Which does answer the question of when 48 hour decs were introduced...

And also the point about double declarations :

As part of the move to 48 hour declarations for all races at the Cheltenham Festival, no horse will be permitted to declare more than once at the meeting, whether subsequently declared a non-runner or not, unless eliminated from a race or declared as a reserve.

This applies to all races except the six non-novice Grade 1 contests: Stan James Champion Hurdle, OLBG Mares’ Hurdle (Grade 1) (Registered As The David Nicholson Mares’ Hurdle), Betway Queen Mother Champion Chase, Ryanair Chase, Sunbets Stayers’ Hurdle and the Timico Cheltenham Gold Cup.

[Saxon Warrior]

Good find Norton’s, so if Quilixios or Zanahiyr are entered in the Boodles on final decs the Sunday before the Festival, that will shake up the Triumph market big time.

I really hope that doesn’t happen and the Graded horses stick to the race created for them.

[Stormez]

The bet after that race at Warwick this afternoon is Balko Saint (129), available at 22/1 Skybet nrnb.

Worth taking before the bookies catch up.

I agree, his November run is looking good now. But will he get in? Per the first post the last lowest OR of the last 3 runnings has been 129, which is his current mark. But these handicaps are getting classier every year, and I’d be surprised if he made the cut.

[Pendil]

See attached link:

Cheltenham Festival moves to 48 hour declarations - The British Horseracing Authority

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/press_releases/cheltenham-festival-moves-48-hour-declarations/

Well done NW, that provides the clarification