The Boodles Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

[Madmoose]

The winner franked the form of Autumn Evening who i like for this.

Said him on another page the 33/1 nrnb looks good 5 places

[jonthehammer]

Said him on another page the 33/1 nrnb looks good 5 places

Yes Moose, i latched on to him up the other day after listening to a podcast as well so I took the same odds after watching his races back. His run the other day wasnt that bad either, wasnt harshly treated and should end up on a decent mark for his hopefully.

[ComplyOrDie]

Is there a limit on the rise a horse can get for collateral form?

I know he's been spoke of in the Triumph thread but with Duffle Coat sitting on a UK rating of 133 prior to Adagio winning and franking the form he could look really well in for this race.

[Istabraq]

Is there a limit on the rise a horse can get for collateral form?
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Not that I’m aware of CoD and retrospective adjustments aren’t that common to be fair...

[ComplyOrDie]

Not that I’m aware of CoD and retrospective adjustments aren’t that common to be fair...

Cheers Ista.

I may well back him shortly for this race then.

[Istabraq]

Cheers Ista.

I may well back him shortly for this race then.

And if it does happen just get Hendo and JPs heavies to have a quiet word with the handicapper...

[Pendil]

Today the BHA has issued two Gordon Elliott juveniles with UK handicap marks, as they have a Cheltenham entry this weekend.

Duffle Coat 140
Glorious Zoff 131

Move forward
Adagio given a mark of 130 after being beaten 5l by Duffle Coat getting 5lb so DC assessed 140.
Since then Adagio has won on his next two and is now 146.
Collateral? Probably

[ComplyOrDie]

Move forward
Adagio given a mark of 130 after being beaten 5l by Duffle Coat getting 5lb so DC assessed 140.
Since then Adagio has won on his next two and is now 146.
Collateral? Probably

Thanks Pendil makes more sense. Triumph it is then!

[jack1092]

Thanks Pendil makes more sense. Triumph it is then!

Could easily run off 140, owner will likely want a shot at the G1 having seen Adagio all the same.

[PresentingPercy]

Could easily run off 140, owner will likely want a shot at the G1 having seen Adagio all the same.

Last I saw, Duffle Coat had been reassessed to 142, and that was before Adagio's recent victory at Chepstow.. Recent trends for this race are that no horse in the 140s has won. Not to say it won't happen, but the handicapper may well make the owner and trainers decision for them to go Triumph or elsewhere.

[ComplyOrDie]

Could easily run off 140, owner will likely want a shot at the G1 having seen Adagio all the same.

Was thinking he's not getting away from a small rise for collateral now though, so can't see him coming here with anything above 140 myself.

[jack1092]

Last I saw, Duffle Coat had been reassessed to 142, and that was before Adagio's recent victory at Chepstow.. Recent trends for this race are that no horse in the 140s has won. Not to say it won't happen, but the handicapper may well make the owner and trainers decision for them to go Triumph or elsewhere.

Elliot won it off 139 though so if anyone has a line on a horse to do it, then it's him.

Quick skim over results since 2011. 4 have tried off 140+.

Torpillo unplaced 141
Divin Bere not 140, but 139 beaten a neck.
Fixe Le Kap 142 Unplaced
Campeador 141, challenging when fell.
Blood Cotil 144, 6th.

So as a stat it's a windy one. One has won off 139 and one finished a nk second, so i wouldn't be too worried.

Campeador stayed up, we could be talking about 1 winner out of 4, with 2 running in same race.......

[PresentingPercy]

Elliot won it off 139 though so if anyone has a line on a horse to do it, then it's him.

Quick skim over results since 2011. 4 have tried off 140+.

Torpillo unplaced 141
Divin Bere not 140, but 139 beaten a neck.
Fixe Le Kap 142 Unplaced
Campeador 141, challenging when fell.
Blood Cotil 144, 6th.

So as a stat it's a windy one. One has won off 139 and one finished a nk second, so i wouldn't be too worried.

Campeador stayed up, we could be talking about 1 winner out of 4, with 2 running in same race.......

As a backer of Duffle Coat for this, I hope you're right and it's what I'm clinging too also. But it seems everytime Adagio goes out and improves, DC's chances diminish.

If you think Willie was harsh on Robbie Power after his ride in last years mares hurdle, I imagine Gordon Elliott was twice as harsh on him for DCs last run

[Lobos]

Gordon has plenty that can come here with good chances that will not be penalised by the handicapper in the way that DC will. There's no need to send him to the race imo. He has a very good chance of winning the Triumph. He is a different type to both Zan and Q so gives Gordon more scope of winning the race. I'm not sure the way the Boodles are normally run/won will be in DC's favour whereas the Triumph looks made for his type.

[OverTheLast]

Rivere D’etele who i had a bit of a fancy for this, is entered for a rated novice hurdle on Saturday.