The PERTEMPS Network Final Handicap Hurdle

[Faugheen_Machine]

My understanding is that if any horse doesn't qualify (whether they attempt a qualification or not) or is balloted out they pay refund, I could be wrong...

I think that's wrong Ista.

Tedham didn't qualify last year and I didn't receive a penny back from my badly placed bets. Ante post rules apply as far as I'm aware.

[ryanh97]

My understanding is that if any horse doesn't qualify (whether they attempt a qualification or not) or is balloted out they pay refund, I could be wrong...

Correct on if balloted out I believe, not aware of non-qualification

[Faugheen_Machine]

Correct on if balloted out I believe, not aware of non-qualification

Yep, all balloted out horses should always be refunded (even though bookies try and sting punters for it).

[Istabraq]

I think that's wrong Ista.

Tedham didn't qualify last year and I didn't receive a penny back from my badly placed bets. Ante post rules apply as far as I'm aware.

OK, I did think I could be wrong.
That said, I'm sure they refunded Foxhunters who didn't qualify, and I remember a horse of D Pipe a few years ago that was favourite for the novice handicap chase for weeks then the handicapper reassessed him and he went up to 147 so didn't run, stakes refunded then I'm sure.
Whether these were bookie one offs or rules of gambling I'm unsure...

[Outlaw]

OK, I did think I could be wrong.
That said, I'm sure they refunded Foxhunters who didn't qualify, and I remember a horse of D Pipe a few years ago that was favourite for the novice handicap chase for weeks then the handicapper reassessed him and he went up to 147 so didn't run, stakes refunded then I'm sure.
Whether these were bookie one offs or rules of gambling I'm unsure...

If a horse isn't eligible to run(some end up like that in the foxhunters they will void it etc) but bar balloting out at declarations you won't get money back for any horse whether they have even ran in a qualifier or not. Tedham as mentioned kept pulling out on the morning of qualifying races the bugger and cost a few trying to get him on early last season.

[Faugheen_Machine]

The Bosses Oscar cut from 20/1 to 10/1 with Hills today. He's best price 14/1 now so looks very likely that he'll be in the qualifier next week.

[germanshepherd]

It's obviously not money back if they don't quality its a NR. Balloted out is a refund.

[Istabraq]

It's obviously not money back if they don't quality its a NR. Balloted out is a refund.

There is some ambiguity here GS so nothing is obvious.
There have been occasions when Hunters haven’t qualified for the March showpiece and bookies have refunded despite those horses failing to qualify.

[Joeski29]

Aren't the foxhunter refunds where the horses are ineligible to race in it and not just failing to qualify?

Have seen plenty of occasions where bookies have added horses to the foxhunter market where the horse is ineligible to run.

[Cheltenham Novice Chase]

I thought if one is betting antepost the only way you would get back your money is if the horse was disqualified to run at the time of placing the bet. For example, if you place a bet on a horse for the bumper whom has already run over hurdles.

[Istabraq]

Aren't the foxhunter refunds where the horses are ineligible to race in it and not just failing to qualify?

Possibly Joeski, but there is always a scrum in February to get horses qualified and where these are failed there have been occasions where these have been refunded.
Whether that is by rule or a gesture I’m unsure, but we have established horses who do not qualify for the Pertemps are deemed NRs and not voided so we have clarify in terms of this race...

[Faugheen_Machine]

I thought if one is betting antepost the only way you would get back your money is if the horse was disqualified to run at the time of placing the bet. For example, if you place a bet on a horse for the bumper whom has already run over hurdles.

If your horse is balloted out make sure you chase the bookies for your stake back. The amount of times I've had to go on live chat or get staff in bookies to phone head office is ridiculous. It isn't a losing bet if you qualify and are declared but don't get in the race.

[Joeski29]

The bookies are pretty bad in general for that Faugheen, happened to me on to me with 4 different bookies and only 1 refunded me no questions asked

[Faugheen_Machine]

Emmet Kennedy put The Bosses Oscar up as his bet for Christmas and Cheltenham.

Must fill backers with confidence.

[Faugheen_Machine]

The bookies are pretty bad in general for that Faugheen, happened to me on to me with 4 different bookies and only 1 refunded me no questions asked

It's a scam and they must be stealing plenty of money week in week out with this. Casual punters often don't know the rules.