The PERTEMPS Network Final Handicap Hurdle

[FinalFurlong91]

Yeh. He'll have to be good to win off that mark.

He'll need to be a 160 horse

[ComplyOrDie]

Aswell as CoF, I wonder if that will tempt them to run Torygraph in a pertemps qualifier?

Or, if G thinks he has that much in hand he’d probably be bang there in the Grade1 Bartlett. So surly he goes Bartlett.

what do people think?

Yeah, I can see this. If he's declared for the qualifier I plan on cashing the Bartlett bet out, as Farouk would be their likely no. 1 for that race.

[Moby123]

Seems very, very harsh to me.

Bit much to say very very harsh for me. Takes it to one pound under its RPR last time out.
Looking at a couple of the fancied British contenders (as we don't have the current marks for the Irish) Imperial Alcazar is rated 3lbs below its RPR and Come on Teddy 2lbs below.
I assume that the handicapper thinks it's run last time out wasn't the limit of his ability (as do all the rest of us).
I think it will still go off favourite despite the anguish of it's backers (of which I am a major one myself)

[Goldentouch]

Yeah, I can see this. If he's declared for the qualifier I plan on cashing the Bartlett bet out, as Farouk would be their likely no. 1 for that race.

Completely agree with this. Will be keeping an eye on the entries.

I feel that I need to cash out my TBO bets now too..

[Captain Chris]

Seems very, very harsh to me.

Personally feels about right. Correcting the Irish handicapper's mistake and then adding a bit of UK/Elliott tax on.

How Dandy Mag was put up 8lbs and this lad only put up 5 was a real odd one at the time. Clearly TBO was the best horse in that race and the attempt to win was suspect at the least.

As others have said, a Davy ride sneaking him into 4th or 5th would have seen a nice mid 140s mark for this and a trip to empty my bank account...

[Moby123]

I'd say it's also a shot across the bows for those foaming at the mouth about Entoucas, Aramax et al.

[Saxon Warrior]

Completely agree with this. Will be keeping an eye on the entries.

I feel that I need to cash out my TBO bets now too..

They could find a very good claimer and take 3lb or 5lb off.

[Vodkatini]

The Bosses Oscar didn’t even win last year off 138 so imagine what British handicapper will do to Aramax!

[Scooby91]

He'll need to be a 160 horse

Only if you believe in the handicap system of a pound a length. A 500KG national hunt horse who is the best In the race isnt going to be affected by a few pounds imo. And we had the same situation last year where everyone was telling me sire du berlais was too high, who hacked up.

[Moby123]

Only if you believe in the handicap system of a pound a length. A 500KG national hunt horse who is the best In the race isnt going to be affected by a few pounds imo. And we had the same situation last year where everyone was telling me sire du berlais was too high, who hacked up.

Yep. Same for Sky Pirate in the Grand Annual.

[Scooby91]

Yep. Same for Sky Pirate in the Grand Annual.

Pretty sure he goes arkle.

[Moby123]

Would be madness if he did IMO.

[FinalFurlong91]

Would be madness if he did IMO.

Dunno

If allmankind, unexcepted and energumene all burn each other off think hed have a great chance of placing

[Moby123]

Possibly but prize money for 2nd in the Grand Annual more than 3rd in the Arkle (last year at least) and why not stick to the WPM adage of running in the race you have got the most chance to win? Think his entry is in case it cuts up and it's not doing that at the moment anyways.
I'd rather win a Grand Annual than finish 2nd in an Arkle - not everyone will agree with that but a majority would I think.
Best shut up now - this is the Pertemps thread after all

[Faugheen_Machine]

Dunno

If allmankind, unexcepted and energumene all burn each other off think hed have a great chance of placing

I don't think he'll be out of place if they do run in the Arkle.