The PERTEMPS Network Final Handicap Hurdle

[Pendil]

does the problem not start with the irish handicapper, surely the marks the uk ‘capper comes up with use their irish marks as a base, and we all know it doesn’t matter what he does the irish will still claim the majority of handicaps.
The cynic in me thinks there may be some collusion between irish ‘capper and irish trainers...

ffs..........

[Kevloaf]

Saxon,
Can you really see Fergal winning this race............or any race at the festival....

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[Quevega]

Yes, I love a stat, but not as much as I love a win.

Its telling that FOB has given the handicapper a nudge to hit the Irish horses hard.

Ive got The Bosses Oscar, who will probably be a similar rating to Imperial Alcazar, and I’m happy with those.

TBO can be my stat horse, and Imperial Alcazar my “visuals” one.

I was having a look at the pertemps this afternoon, and partly cos I backed Imperial at the weekend, but was not convinced he was going to win till after the last. I watched the race again as the new marks were out.
I wasn't convinced he travels like a hardy stayer.

I respect his chances but ended up backing Mrs Milner & Come on Teddy instead, as I liked the early season form with On the blind side who looks a different horse this season, and could still win a decent race off his new mark of 153. And obviously they are bigger prices with a little more room for improvement.

He's (OTBS) only crept up the ratings for a string of good runs this season.

[Istabraq]

ffs..........

I am guessing that’s aimed at the collusion suggestion ?
Don’t be surprised what goes on would be my advice, I know of several instances where on course vets have provided misleading reports at the request of trainers, but these are discussions for another thread and another day...

[jack1092]

Does the problem not start with the Irish handicapper, surely the marks the UK ‘capper comes up with use their Irish marks as a base, and we all know it doesn’t matter what he does the Irish will still claim the majority of handicaps.
The cynic in me thinks there may be some collusion between Irish ‘capper and Irish trainers...

Personally I’d say the problem lies with the UK Handicapping system as a whole. It seems that marks are inflated everywhere.

[Istabraq]

Personally I’d say the problem lies with the UK Handicapping system as a whole. It seems that marks are inflated everywhere.

Yep, that wouldn’t surprise me, it’s odd the two groups don’t discuss throughout the season given the number of races that are targeted by both UK and Irish horses away from home...

[Outlaw]

I respect his chances but ended up backing Mrs Milner & Come on Teddy instead, as I liked the early season form with On the blind side who looks a different horse this season, and could still win a decent race off his new mark of 153. And obviously they are bigger prices with a little more room for improvement.

He's (OTBS) only crept up the ratings for a string of good runs this season.

Will need a win you'd expect nto to guarantee getting in and being a syndicate horse(seem good craic do Noel/David) they will want a day out at Chelt so expect him to be placed well on his next start to ensure getting in(currently 134)

[doctorwu]

....Fergal O’Brien urging the handicapper to be strict on Irish horses, suggesting they should come over to qualify;

https://www.sportinglife.com/racing/...ertemps/188450

Perhaps O'Brien thinks they should get a 7lb penalty in the non-handicap races as well bearing in mind they win so many??? The truth is the English based trainers need to up their game considerably.

[doctorwu]

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Im not ignoring you. I always read your insightful posts. I'll get on to it, promise....

[Quevega]

Will need a win you'd expect nto to guarantee getting in and being a syndicate horse(seem good craic do Noel/David) they will want a day out at Chelt so expect him to be placed well on his next start to ensure getting in(currently 134)

134 right on cusp I reckon.
But there are over 30 qualified on lower marks and others have died or gone chasing since. And obviously they won't all decide to run anyway,
So at present I reckon he'd be safe, and they should hold tight.

[germanshepherd]

I think Unexpected Depth has been slightly overlooked. He won well after a long break. Made up ground from mid to rear and wide to get to the front when most of them were hard at it in the qualifier 20 days later. That move would have used up a lot of energy and he got tired at the finish. Still unexposed at the trip. His price relative to TBO and Dandy Mag is too big.

[Quevega]

I think Unexpected Depth has been slightly overlooked. He won well after a long break. Made up ground from mid to rear and wide to get to the front when most of them were hard at it in the qualifier 20 days later. That move would have used up a lot of energy and he got tired at the finish. Still unexposed at the trip. His price relative to TBO and Dandy Mag is too big.

I nearly backed him yesterday, and backed the mare instead, just because they've already travelled over and the price.
But I'll be watching out to see him entered up again.

[charlie]

The horse to take out of the Warwick qualified was IMO Come On Teddy. He's ridden cold out the back and had a far more troubled passage than the eventual winner. I think this was his undoing and less so more weight on his back. I think he'll slip in here on an attractive mark and finish on strongly up the hill as he did when winning at Cheltenham in December (not a qualifier). I thought 25/1 EW represented good each way value.

[Istabraq]

The horse to take out of the Warwick qualified was IMO Come On Teddy

Yep, and his beating of On the Blind Side at Cheltenham in December is working out very well.
You just have to worry there’ll be one or two who have hidden their abilities better...

[ComplyOrDie]

The horse to take out of the Warwick qualified was IMO Come On Teddy. He's ridden cold out the back and had a far more troubled passage than the eventual winner. I think this was his undoing and less so more weight on his back. I think he'll slip in here on an attractive mark and finish on strongly up the hill as he did when winning at Cheltenham in December (not a qualifier). I thought 25/1 EW represented good each way value.

He'll likely be ridden like this in the Final too, always a danger of a troubled passage in a race of this nature.

I actually just watched the race back, I could only see one issue/excuse for Come On Teddy on the day but it wasn't race defining, and that's when he had to switch from the back of one horses backside that was hugging the rail, other than that I think Imperial Alcazar was travelling much the better of the pair turning for home and actually won rather comfortably in the end.

I had noted the stat/trend of horses who win the qualifiers not usually winning the final, but I may have to make an exception with Imperial Alcazar.