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The PERTEMPS Network Final Handicap Hurdle

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  • Originally posted by germanshepherd View Post

    140 lol no chance.
    What do you think then GS? Winner was rated 134 before today. Cant see him going up by much more than 5 or 6? I was thinking he might go to 139, so TBO might get 142?

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    • SDB won it off 142 first time around so Id be happy enough with that.

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      • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post

        What do you think then GS? Winner was rated 134 before today. Cant see him going up by much more than 5 or 6? I was thinking he might go to 139, so TBO might get 142?
        He was rated 138 before today. I think the best we can hope for is mid 140.

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        • Originally posted by germanshepherd View Post

          He was rated 138 before today. I think the best we can hope for is mid 140.
          7lb rise for finishing runner up today would surely be ridiculous? Only went up 1lb for finishing runner up in the very valuable handicap hurdle he ran in at Navan the time before?

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          • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post

            7lb rise for finishing runner up today would surely be ridiculous? Only went up 1lb for finishing runner up in the very valuable handicap hurdle he ran in at Navan the time before?
            He was beat 12L there. That's the Irish handicapper, Who knows what the UK handicapper will do. I'll view anything below 145 as a bonus.

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            • Sorry if I missed it, but any update on Tower Bridge? Last I read he was still being assessed but that was yesterday evening..

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              • Originally posted by germanshepherd View Post

                He was beat 12L there. That's the Irish handicapper, Who knows what the UK handicapper will do. I'll view anything below 145 as a bonus.
                Yes I appreciate he was beaten much further, but that was a much more competitive race. Anyway soon find out. The UK tax will definitely be the biggest worry.

                His last 3 runs prior to today have been 138, 137,137. I don't see why they would think today was suddenly 7lb's better. But maybe Im pocket talking!
                Last edited by Can't Catch Me; 28 December 2020, 08:50 PM.

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                • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post

                  7lb rise for finishing runner up today would surely be ridiculous?
                  You can’t blame the UK handicapper for taxing more or less every Irish horse, year on year they hoover up most handicaps and fill plenty of the places too so no-one can blame him for not trusting the work of the Irish handicapper....

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                  • TBO has to go up quite a bit for that. They didn't try and win the race at all and it was clear he had loads of horses under him.

                    Probably 6lb for today and could easily get another 6-8 of the UK handicapper. He'll be nearer 150 than 140 come the festival but not sure that'll be enough to stop him.

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                    • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

                      You can’t blame the UK handicapper for taxing more or less every Irish horse, year on year they hoover up most handicaps and fill plenty of the places too so no-one can blame him for not trusting the work of the Irish handicapper....
                      No I agree the UK handicapper will Ista. Was just opining about what the Irish version will do. As I said above, the UK tax is the biggest worry!

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                      • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post
                        TBO has to go up quite a bit for that. They didn't try and win the race at all and it was clear he had loads of horses under him.

                        Probably 6lb for today and could easily get another 6-8 of the UK handicapper. He'll be nearer 150 than 140 come the festival but not sure that'll be enough to stop him.
                        I'm expecting the UK handicapper to be especially harsh this year on the irish horses

                        Plenty of plot jobs may get put up loads and saved for irish handicaps instead

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                        • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                          I'm expecting the UK handicapper to be especially harsh this year on the irish horses

                          Plenty of plot jobs may get put up loads and saved for irish handicaps instead
                          That's a good point. Every year the Irish complain at being harshly treated, then win everything going.

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                          • Originally posted by Can't Catch Me View Post

                            No I agree the UK handicapper will Ista. Was just opining about what the Irish version will do. As I said above, the UK tax is the biggest worry!
                            It’s always easy to make the sort of sweeping statement I’m about to when these horses demolish big competitive fields (handicaps) but I wonder what the Irish handicapper thinks about the job he’s doing and whether there is any discussion between the pair.
                            For every horse the UK handicapper taxes he is effectively sticking two fingers up at his Irish counterpart...

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                            • I cant see anyway that the bosses oscar will get a mark of less than 145, the UK handicapper will take a view on how he travelled into that race, if id backed the horse today id feel hard done by that he hasnt won that.

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                              • Its gone from 3-4lb to 8lb now .The advantage is diminishing.

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