The PERTEMPS Network Final Handicap Hurdle

[ComplyOrDie]

As I said above I think he could be hiding in plain sight. Possibly a JP diversion for No Comment, and to have a punt later in the Kim Muir on Tower Bridge.

I like No Comment, had just noted him in FM's diary. The Big negative would be his age, but he's still a 33/1 shot in a place which is a fair bit of juice given that run today. He also suffered interference from the faller.

[jono]

Shame I missed the 25's on Tower Bridge today. I would have backed EW at the price for sure post race. Hard to think he is only 7 too.
His festival record, and his graded hurdle form is just too good to ignore. I did think as already mentioned his chasing mark was crying out to be exploited.
Now they have the Pertemps qualifier in the bag, it would be interesting if they sent him back chasing through the winter to do so and have this race there in the Spring as either the aim still (most likely), or as a fallback. (given how last season fell apart)

(It could be) interesting that in all of Jospeh O'Briens stable tours going into the season I can't see one mention of the horse. Racing Post, At The Races, Sporting Life, Betfair. Not a single word. And considering the RP tour contained 37 horses, and TB not one of them...made me think he was either injured or a deliberate exclusion. Which probably doesn't make sense as after being entered and then how he ran today was clear as day for a plan played out to perfection. But whenever a horse like him, for JP hasn't a word spoken about him when he's in health....I can't help but be cynical.

[Spectre]

Shame I missed the 25's on Tower Bridge today. I would have backed EW at the price for sure post race. Hard to think he is only 7 too.
His festival record, and his graded hurdle form is just too good to ignore. I did think as already mentioned his chasing mark was crying out to be exploited.
Now they have the Pertemps qualifier in the bag, it would be interesting if they sent him back chasing through the winter to do so and have this race there in the Spring as either the aim still (most likely), or as a fallback. (given how last season fell apart)

(It could be) interesting that in all of Jospeh O'Briens stable tours going into the season I can't see one mention of the horse. Racing Post, At The Races, Sporting Life, Betfair. Not a single word. And considering the RP tour contained 37 horses, and TB not one of them...made me think he was either injured or a deliberate exclusion. Which probably doesn't make sense as after being entered and then how he ran today was clear as day for a plan played out to perfection. But whenever a horse like him, for JP hasn't a word spoken about him when he's in health....I can't help but be cynical.

Me too Jono. I had him noted for a handicap chase this year, 'possibly the Plate but more likely the Kim Muir' is what I wrote. Then as you say there was no mention of him whatsoever. When I saw this entry my first instinct was to back him for the Pertemps. Then I read my own notes and got a friend to back him any race at William Hill instead. I'm not sure he'll end up being that well handicapped in the Pertemps with a load of other plots going on, and JP and Fran Berry will know that. He does act as a good diversion for the real plot though, while having his own which is completely different. And the 'omission' from the stable tours and being a JP horse is just the same as an Elliott horse being omitted. There's always a reason. Surely it's not as obvious as the entry and his fourth place yesterday?

I could be completely wrong though, and the Pertemps really is the plan. Or we're all wrong and maybe he's just not good enough. But I'm quite good at getting under the skin of connections thoughts, and I find doing so can give an edge, and I think my instincts may be right.

[Birds Nest]

Nice win there for wildfire warrior, been hinted as a possible pertemps horse. Very green and some awkward jumps to the left but easily accounted for a k bailey 127 hurdler, more to come when he steps up and hopefully he will get an entry in a qualifier soon.

[jono]

Column of Fires entry in a handicap hurdle this weekend looks to have cleared up the confusion of whether he sticks to hurdles or goes chasing.
Even if he doesn't take up the entry it looks to signal their intention for the coming season.

Have taken the 25/1 EW (4 places) for him here.
Currently rated 145, I see no scenario where he is let into the Martin Pipe for another shot.
Which leaves either the Coral Cup or this race. He would have a chance in the former, but I think we'll see the best of him over 3 miles for sure.

[Kevloaf]

Column of Fires entry in a handicap hurdle this weekend looks to have cleared up the confusion of whether he sticks to hurdles or goes chasing.
Even if he doesn't take up the entry it looks to signal their intention for the coming season.

Have taken the 25/1 EW (4 places) for him here.
Currently rated 145, I see no scenario where he is let into the Martin Pipe for another shot.
Which leaves either the Coral Cup or this race. He would have a chance in the former, but I think we'll see the best of him over 3 miles for sure.

He'd have a massive chance in the former wouldn't he....but I think I'm only on for this so far.

[JackieMoon33]

Column of Fires entry in a handicap hurdle this weekend looks to have cleared up the confusion of whether he sticks to hurdles or goes chasing.
Even if he doesn't take up the entry it looks to signal their intention for the coming season.

Have taken the 25/1 EW (4 places) for him here.
Currently rated 145, I see no scenario where he is let into the Martin Pipe for another shot.
Which leaves either the Coral Cup or this race. He would have a chance in the former, but I think we'll see the best of him over 3 miles for sure.

I think it's a case of how they split Column Of Fire and The Bosses Oscar up as they look the likeliest handicap good things. I'm not sure which way round though for the Coral and Pertemps.

[Quevega]

I think it's a case of how they split Column Of Fire and The Bosses Oscar up as they look the likeliest handicap good things. I'm not sure which way round though for the Coral and Pertemps.

He seems to like having 2 good things (if possible) for the Pertemps at least.
Been on the wrong end of it twice now with Glenloe and Storyteller.

[Kevloaf]

I think it's a case of how they split Column Of Fire and The Bosses Oscar up as they look the likeliest handicap good things. I'm not sure which way round though for the Coral and Pertemps.

Early to be nailing the colours to the mast of likeliest handicap good things

He definitely has more than one going on..... was it Run Wild Fred that got ruled out one year and he just won it with someone else in the same freakin' ownership?



Backing all the Elliott handicappers blindly each way is profitable, and that was at SP, so I'd not worry about chancing some of the obvious ones at these prices?



I definitely want (and have) both of them onside

[JackieMoon33]

Early to be nailing the colours to the mast of likeliest handicap good things

He definitely has more than one going on..... was it Run Wild Fred that got ruled out one year and he just won it with someone else in the same freakin' ownership?



Backing all the Elliott handicappers blindly each way is profitable, and that was at SP, so I'd not worry about chancing some of the obvious ones at these prices?



I definitely want (and have) both of them onside

It's never too early for an idiot like me

Bosses Oscar - Pertemps
Column Of Fire - Coral
Wide Receiver - Martin Pipe

Job done.

[Leman14]

It's never too early for an idiot like me

Bosses Oscar - Pertemps
Column Of Fire - Coral
Wide Receiver - Martin Pipe

Job done.

Good looking EW Patent there JM!

[BookieBasher]

Tower Bridge just got a positive review on Upping the Ante

[JackieMoon33]

Good looking EW Patent there JM!

If I could get them all quoted with cash out I'd take a shot

[nortonscoin200]

I'm very interested in backing Column of Fire for the Pertemps.

But if he takes up his entry in the 50k handicap hurdle race at Naas on December 5 I fear he won't go down the Pertemps route.

Gordon has already said he'll be going after big handicaps with him this season - and he could well have a favourite's chance at Naas.

A win there would probably push his handicap rating up to at least 150 and possibly a few pounds higher.

Sire Du Berlais (152) and Fingal Bay (148) are the only horses to win the Pertemps off a mark higher than 146 in the last decade.

Win or lose, if CoF runs at Naas he would have to turn out 23 days later for the Leopardstown Pertemps qualifier (I know there are others he could run in but this is surely the most favoured route).

In the scheme of things, running in a Pertemps qualifier would mean CoF missing out on another potential big payday (assuming he doesn't win it!!!) - and for what?

The first place prize-money for the Pertemps and the Coral Cup were identical this year (56k).

Five of the last ten winners of the Coral were rated between 148 and 153.

Arguably, the Coral trip would suit CoF better or at least equally as well as the Pertemps.

And Gordon has other darts to throw at the Pertemps.

I haven't researched who he might have for the Coral.

Don't get me wrong, 25-1 is a very tempting price for CoF in the Pertemps.

But imo it comes with two risks:

1 It would be more straight-forward for him to head for the Coral instead of the Pertemps.

2. If CoF wins at Naas he will go to the Pertemps with a rating which guarantees he would carry 11st 12lbs.

Gavin Lynch on Upping The Ante suggested Gordon would use Unowhatimeanharry (151) to keep CoF's weight down - but that won't happen if CoF picks up a big handicap on the way.

Top weight in the Coral over the last 3 years has been 154,153,153.

And I'm with Jackie in thinking that's where he's most likely to end up.

[Quevega]

I'm very interested in backing Column of Fire for the Pertemps.

But if he takes up his entry in the 50k handicap hurdle race at Naas on December 5 I fear he won't go down the Pertemps route.

Gordon has already said he'll be going after big handicaps with him this season - and he could well have a favourite's chance at Naas.

A win there would probably push his handicap rating up to at least 150 and possibly a few pounds higher.

Sire Du Berlais (152) and Fingal Bay (148) are the only horses to win the Pertemps off a mark higher than 146 in the last decade.

Win or lose, if CoF runs at Naas he would have to turn out 23 days later for the Leopardstown Pertemps qualifier (I know there are others he could run in but this is surely the most favoured route).

In the scheme of things, running in a Pertemps qualifier would mean CoF missing out on another potential big payday (assuming he doesn't win it!!!) - and for what?

The first place prize-money for the Pertemps and the Coral Cup were identical this year (56k).

Five of the last ten winners of the Coral were rated between 148 and 153.

Arguably, the Coral trip would suit CoF better or at least equally as well as the Pertemps.

And Gordon has other darts to throw at the Pertemps.

I haven't researched who he might have for the Coral.

Don't get me wrong, 25-1 is a very tempting price for CoF in the Pertemps.

But imo it comes with two risks:

1 It would be more straight-forward for him to head for the Coral instead of the Pertemps.

2. If CoF wins at Naas he will go to the Pertemps with a rating which guarantees he would carry 11st 12lbs.

Gavin Lynch on Upping The Ante suggested Gordon would use Unowhatimeanharry (151) to keep CoF's weight down - but that won't happen if CoF picks up a big handicap on the way.

Top weight in the Coral over the last 3 years has been 154,153,153.

And I'm with Jackie in thinking that's where he's most likely to end up.

Lynch was talking about Tower Bridge.

And Gordon often runs his pertemps horses in the 3 mile handicap in early december, and then again at xmas.