MARTIN PIPE Conditionals Handicap Hurdle 2021

[Kautostar]

You'd get your money back if that was the case though, as long as he's entered....

Not if you’ve backed him TWAR at juicy odds

[Saxon Warrior]

Wide Receiver out to 11/1 with Bet 365 in this now 7/1 nearly everywhere else. That's way too much of an over reaction when he won't have been trying

He doesn’t appear to have the usual profile of a Gordon Elliott horse for the Martin Pipe.

365 will have pushed him out to wreck any profit taking on Cashout, and at the same time to tempt others to back him back in with them.

Theyre assessing that the more they get in for him, the more they win. Especially as of yet we don’t know many/any nailed-on handicap entries for the Festival.
(Outside of the Pertemps qualifiers)

[YoungHustler]

He doesn’t appear to have the usual profile of a Gordon Elliott horse for the Martin Pipe.

365 will have pushed him out to wreck any profit taking on Cashout, and at the same time to tempt others to back him back in with them.

Theyre assessing that the more they get in for him, the more they win. Especially as of yet we don’t know many/any nailed-on handicap entries for the Festival.
(Outside of the Pertemps qualifiers)

Paddy's are now 10s NRNB so I've topped up.

[charlie]

I've added Damalisque 2pts @ 10/1. He tanked round yesterday and just didn't see out the 3m. I don't think he'll get punished too much for that performance. Wouldn't be shocked if GL puts him up on UTA tomorrow.

Added 1 more point @ 22/1 with Hills as stupidly missed their price on this!

[Istabraq]

archie
I’ve seen Captain Kangaroo priced up here archie, any plans being discussed you can share ?

[archie]

archie
I’ve seen Captain Kangaroo priced up here archie, any plans being discussed you can share ?

He has entries for the Supreme and the Ballymore because Willie feels he has more ability that he's shown so far.

As it stands he'd probably have to improve by about a stone to get in any Festival handicap. Definitely NRNB I'd say.

[Istabraq]

He has entries for the Supreme and the Ballymore because Willie knows he has more ability that he's shown so far and 'some horses suddenly explode'.

As it stands he'd probably have to improve by about a stone to get in any Festival handicap. Definitely NRNB I'd say.

OK thanks archie, much appreciated

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

I see Wide Receiver retains his Irish mark of 130 which I would expect means he’ll also retain his UK mark of 136 which will be right on the cusp of getting in the Martin Pipe. Does anyone have any theories on what the deal with his run was yesterday?

The run itself was interesting in that you could be forgiven for thinking Robbie Power was going to pull him up approaching the second last (after a brief scrubbing he completely stops trying) which leaves him a few lengths adrift in last, only to be seen pushing him again after the second last where he then stayed on past a few beaten horses to finish 10th of 13. Having watched it back a couple of times it looks really odd almost as if they really didn’t want him getting too close to the front but if that was the case why even bother running him.

[Kevloaf]

I see Wide Receiver retains his Irish mark of 130 which I would expect means he’ll also retain his UK mark of 136 which will be right on the cusp of getting in the Martin Pipe. Does anyone have any theories on what the deal with his run was yesterday?

The run itself was interesting in that you could be forgiven for thinking Robbie Power was going to pull him up approaching the second last (after a brief scrubbing he completely stops trying) which leaves him a few lengths adrift in last, only to be seen pushing him again after the second last where he then stayed on past a few beaten horses to finish 10th of 13. Having watched it back a couple of times it looks really odd almost as if they really didn’t want him getting too close to the front but if that was the case why even bother running him.

I'm surprised bookies have pushed him out....In the same way I'm surprised when a horse wins a handicap they shorten them.

He either goes here now and is better handicappped to win that he was before the run, or doesn't get in (balloted out).... I'd be amazed if GE didn't know that beforehand....

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

I'm surprised bookies have pushed him out....In the same way I'm surprised when a horse wins a handicap they shorten them.

He either goes here now and is better handicappped to win that he was before the run, or doesn't get in (balloted out).... I'd be amazed if GE didn't know that beforehand....

Yep I’m surprised as well especially Paddy Power going 10s from 7s NRNB (less so 365 who I’m not entirely sure know what they are doing). Why do you say though he is better handicapped than before the run yesterday assuming his UK rating also remains unchanged on 136?

[Kevloaf]

Yep I’m surprised as well especially Paddy Power going 10s from 7s NRNB (less so 365 who I’m not entirely sure know what they are doing). Why do you say though he is better handicapped than before the run yesterday assuming his UK rating also remains unchanged on 136?

Because his rating didn't go up.

Whatever the plan was, he's not higher now... that can't be worse?



I believe Gordon has multiple darts, and angles, and hopes some come off..... so he can win this race. I think last year will have hurt, and I think it makes it even more likely he wins it this year.

I'm not into mad theories, flat earth, etc.... but GE will want to win the MP desperately, and I think WR is absolutely chucked in off 136. I think he knew a 'good' run would perhaps see a WALLOPING from the handicapper.... he's got other darts, so this one is a really clever one.




To put it another way, if Wide Receiver 'sneaks in' bottom weight, he's going off fav. I think that's what he's trying.

[Lobos]

He either goes here now and is better handicappped to win that he was before the run, or doesn't get in (balloted out).... I'd be amazed if GE didn't know that beforehand....

Are you sure ?? Remember, we had to ring him up and tell him Galvin needed to qualify for the NHC before he put him away for 5 months!

[Rhinestone_Cowboy]

Because his rating didn't go up.

Whatever the plan was, he's not higher now... that can't be worse?

Definitely not worse, but not sure any better...haha. The way the race panned out he ran the risk of his rating going down (really hope that the UK capper doesn’t do that) and making it more difficult to get in the Pipe.
Just don’t get it from running him to what Power was playing at, anyway in Gordy we trust

[Kevloaf]

Definitely not worse, but not sure any better...haha. The way the race panned out he ran the risk of his rating going down (really hope that the UK capper doesn’t do that) and making it more difficult to get in the Pipe.
Just don’t get it from running him to what Power was playing at, anyway in Gordy we trust

Well it is better to stay the same than to rise isn't it?!

I would strongly argue Wide Receiver is better off at the weights having gone up 0 than gone up any lbs.

If he goes down, he's got MORE of a chance of winning the Martin Pipe.

If he doesn't get in, you'd get your money back.




I'm baffled?

[Saxon Warrior]

He either goes here now and is better handicappped to win that he was before the run, or doesn't get in (balloted out).... I'd be amazed if GE didn't know that beforehand....

Are you sure ?? Remember, we had to ring him up and tell him Galvin needed to qualify for the NHC before he put him away for 5 months!

Maybe that way of thinking is relevant because he is only 130 in Ireland and the UK capper gave him 6lb more.

Then he runs like a drain, and all of his back form collapses (see below) so the UK capper may drop him 2 or 3lbs.
If he does, then the horse is in more danger of not making it.

All of his prior form went crumbly at the DRF too.

Career Hurdle Race 1 - Baptism of Fire beat him, and he was out with the washing at the DRF (dropped 2lb today)
Career Hurdle Race 2 - NGolo beat him and he was out with the washing at the DRF (dropped 1lb today)
Career Hurdle Race 3 - He split Ashdale Bob and Shadow Rider and they were both out with the washing at the DRF.

This season Wide Receiver was mos def a handicap plot line, of Gordon’s, like several other lines.

Maybe it’s genius planning, or maybe the form is going downhill.

Hopefully the horse is fine, and he arrives in the entries for the race in a fortnight, when we can see all the plot lines he has left, into the Martin Pipe.

I would imagine he doesn’t mind which horse wins the race, and it’s more likely he will pack in as many as possible, rather than rely on one big player.