Supreme Novices Hurdle 2021

[Saxon Warrior]

I think it does likely confirm there is a setback but no one has confirmed how serious so fingers crossed we get him back early next year,

What is frustrating with the racing community so its difficult to get access to information such as injuries. Even when Patrick was asked on the zoom call about the race could of mentioned Ferny would miss it etc

Its one on the main remaining problems with our sport.

Exclusion of the public from simple info updates on Grade 1 antepost quality horses, from trainers is an awful industry problem that has a simple solution.

Could be on HRI and BHA websites, or the Racing Post.

Add to it Irish trainers still able to continue hiding wind-op information from the world.

Maybe any Irish horse running at Cheltenham in March that has improved markedly during the season may never have to reveal if they had a wind-op to anyone.

[Craigy14]

Sure the same info I heard as Outlaw got was that it was a pelvis injury, which if similar to a human injury is like dislocating collar bone.

If a quick healer would be back end of Jan and if a slow healer would likely miss the festival.

[Quevega]

Its one on the main remaining problems with our sport.

Exclusion of the public from simple info updates on Grade 1 antepost quality horses, from trainers is an awful industry problem that has a simple solution.

Could be on HRI and BHA websites, or the Racing Post.

Add to it Irish trainers still able to continue hiding wind-op information from the world.

Maybe any Irish horse running at Cheltenham in March that has improved markedly during the season may never have to reveal if they had a wind-op to anyone.

The fact Ferny Hollow has not been entered at Leopardstown ?

I take it that the horse has not had it's season ended yet.
And has simply not been entered for this meeting.

As ante-post specialists, it is quite important information to us, but the vast majority don't give a shit.
It's not really newsworthy, even within the industry, if a horse has had a small setback.

We cannot expect every trainer to let us know every time any horse in their stable has some sort of issue.
Except for when they are certain that they will miss a race they are entered for or are out for the season, or dead.

It would surely be a full time job for someone in each stable to update any website. And then you have the problem with how much detail ?

With regards Ferny Hollow, It may be that we don't see the horse again this season but I trust the stable would let us know this fact, when they know themselves.

Any stable that abuses the information "they know" for financial gain should rightfully be investigated by the appropriate authorities.

[archie]

There is nothing remotely unusual about Mullins' best Supreme horse not running at Christmas.

Unfortunately, it is now so easy to start a rumour on social media. Because B and C both see a rumour started by A and report it separately to D, E, F and G, if D, E, F and G are all members on here it will look as if they are separate confirmations of what A said.

Haven't the owners got a racing manager? He would be the logical person to ask.

[Run4Home]

Sure the same info I heard as Outlaw got was that it was a pelvis injury, which if similar to a human injury is like dislocating collar bone.

If a quick healer would be back end of Jan and if a slow healer would likely miss the festival.

I suppose the point is it had to come from Declan Phelan and he couldn't confirm it as has nothing to do with the stable other than a few sources through media streams rather than someone who actually is in the know of what the injury is confirming it.

When the trainers assistant i asked about the horse there is no mention of a setback or even the fact he wouldn't take up the Xmas engagement.

The media would also all have been aware but almost like Malone Road last year no one asks the question in numerous interviews.

Not expecting trainers to come out and say X and X is injured but one like this where there has been 'rumours' for weeks I would expect someone in the media atleast could ask the question.

[archie]

The fact Ferny Hollow has not been entered at Leopardstown ?

I take it that the horse has not had it's season ended yet.
And has simply not been entered for this meeting.

As ante-post specialists, it is quite important information to us, but the vast majority don't give a shit.
It's not really newsworthy, even within the industry, if a horse has had a small setback.

We cannot expect every trainer to let us know every time any horse in their stable has some sort of issue.
Except for when they are certain that they will miss a race they are entered for or are out for the season, or dead.

It would surely be a full time job for someone in each stable to update any website. And then you have the problem with how much detail ?

With regards Ferny Hollow, It may be that we don't see the horse again this season but I trust the stable would let us know this fact, when they know themselves.

Any stable that abuses the information "they know" for financial gain should rightfully be investigated by the appropriate authorities.

That about sums it up. We can all remember horses being ruled out prematurely and then recovering quicker than expected.

[SharpHat]

The fact Ferny Hollow has not been entered at Leopardstown ?

I take it that the horse has not had it's season ended yet.
And has simply not been entered for this meeting.

As ante-post specialists, it is quite important information to us, but the vast majority don't give a shit.
It's not really newsworthy, even within the industry, if a horse has had a small setback.

We cannot expect every trainer to let us know every time any horse in their stable has some sort of issue.
Except for when they are certain that they will miss a race they are entered for or are out for the season, or dead.

It would surely be a full time job for someone in each stable to update any website. And then you have the problem with how much detail ?

With regards Ferny Hollow, It may be that we don't see the horse again this season but I trust the stable would let us know this fact, when they know themselves.

Any stable that abuses the information "they know" for financial gain should rightfully be investigated by the appropriate authorities.

I agree with all this, but if someone from the stable is on a zoom call literally talking about the horse and deliberately not mentioning an injury, then what are we supposed to make of that

[Run4Home]

We cannot expect every trainer to let us know every time any horse in their stable has some sort of issue.
Except for when they are certain that they will miss a race they are entered for or are out for the season, or dead.

The Aramon situation rings a bell here ...

[Quevega]

I agree with all this, but if someone from the stable is on a zoom call literally talking about the horse and deliberately not mentioning an injury, then what are we supposed to make of that

You have to assume there is no injury ?

The questioning should be more direct.
Then it's harder to fudge or lie, if that's the motive.

I'd imagine it's a tricky situation with minor setbacks that could lead to longer lay offs, as devils you do and devils you don't.
Much like Archie intimated a couple of posts back.

[Quevega]

The Aramon situation rings a bell here ...

If I ran a stable.
I'd have a nominated individual, or individuals who would have permission to release this information, and only when it is as close to concrete as it can be. And only after connections have been informed.

You have to assume that either Patrick is a lying get.
Or that at the time of the recording, he did not have that concrete information or permission.

[Saxon Warrior]

Its not a matter of whether trainers should update on injuries of their antepost backed horses, or not.

This industry is inextricably linked to bookmakers and a lot of it to bookmakers race sponsorship, stable sponsorship etc.

Football is less so, but is now very open on player injuries, return dates, games that will be missed.

Horse Racing is missing the chance to be more open, and maybe more attractive to current fans, and able to attract more fans, if they saw open info on things like injuries shared.

Of course, we can stay as we are, but is it in the sports best interests to do so?

Maybe we are lost forever on this subject, but this is a world of wider access to betting on antepost races and channels to trajners/managers injury news needs to keep up with it

I can see some being disenchanted by social media saying one thing and trainers/owners saying nothing.

- and the more social media is proved right - the more the sport digs a hole for itself.

Just imagine if Premier League football injury news came out through social media whispers, and the club insisted there wasn't an injury, or ignored questions on it, and the earliest you knew the truth was 1 hour before kick-off when the teams were announced.

[Quevega]

Its not a matter of whether trainers should update on injuries of their antepost backed horses, or not.

This industry is inextricably linked to bookmakers and a lot of it to bookmakers race sponsorship, stable sponsorship etc.

Football is less so, but is now very open on player injuries, return dates, games that will be missed.

Horse Racing is missing the chance to be more open, and maybe more attractive to current fans, and able to attract more fans, if they saw open info on things like injuries shared.

Of course, we can stay as we are, but is it in the sports best interests to do so?

Maybe we are lost forever on this subject, but this is a world of wider access to betting on antepost races and channels to trajners/managers injury news needs to keep up with it

I can see some being disenchanted by social media saying one thing and trainers/owners saying nothing.

- and the more social media is proved right - the more the sport digs a hole for itself.

Just imagine if Premier League football injury news came out through social media whispers, and the club insisted there wasn't an injury, or ignored questions on it, and the earliest you knew the truth was 1 hour before kick-off when the teams were announced.

The interest levels of the 2 sports don't compare though.

Antepost betting is miniscule compared to on the day stuff.

The Vast majority of fans of horse racing only look at the cards on the day.

And any new fans of horse racing would think ante-post is some form of organisation that hates postmen.

[Kevloaf]

minuscule

The interest levels of the 2 sports don't compare though.

Antepost betting is miniscule compared to on the day stuff.

The Vast majority of fans of horse racing only look at the cards on the day.

And any new fans of horse racing would think ante-post is some form of organisation that hates postmen.

Is it miniscule?

After every race, quotes for March come in?


It probably is in terms of turnover, but I bet the awareness is higher than miniscule?

I'd go for, 'tiny'

[riccirich]

Has anyone read or seen anything about no ordinary joes likely trip for this season? Ive seen a fair few on here backing him for the supreme based on him running over two miles tomorrow, but I thought hendo might be running him tomorrow instead of dusart because with the ground possibly being heavy maybe he feels that no ordinary joe might be better suited to a test of stamina? In which case maybe he's more a ballymore type.

ive seen nothing to support this, was just a thought that I had, an im interested to hear if anyone has heard anything regarding his likely best trip, I want to back him but dont know whether to go supreme or ballymore and I dont want to back him for both.

[Quevega]

minuscule

Is it miniscule?

After every race, quotes for March come in?


It probably is in terms of turnover, but I bet the awareness is higher than miniscule?

I'd go for, 'tiny'

I'd be happy with that.

The football analogy ain't great though !
Whether you bet on it or not, football managers/clubs don't declare all injuries, injections, niggles, or even how long someone could be out for.
Racing integrity is actually ahead of football from a betting angle at least.