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  • #61
    I’m finding this years supreme a mind field, I feel like the new detective in the department hunting a serial killer with loads of suspects still not seen or questioned but all fingers pointing towards Ballyadam as the number one suspect and there is plenty of evidence to nail a conviction. I’m not convinced personally by Ballyadam, mainly down to his hurdling, I fear he will catch a few awkwardly in a big field and strong pace but he’s a very strong traveller and I do think he will cope with the Cheltenham Hill if he’s allowed to dictate from the front like Klassical Dream. Maybe it’s not a vintage year, maybe it’s another 2018/2019 where we have an average crop.

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    • #62
      Anyone have any idea where Flinteur Sacre will go next ? My thought is back to Newbury and the same race as Shishkin took in this year. He pulled hard and failed to settle when he got beat in his first Bumper and then was ultra impressive in his next race. Deja vu anyone ? I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt. Still think he is very likely to end up Hendersons number 1 Supreme horse.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Lobos View Post
        Anyone have any idea where Flinteur Sacre will go next ? My thought is back to Newbury and the same race as Shishkin took in this year. He pulled hard and failed to settle when he got beat in his first Bumper and then was ultra impressive in his next race. Deja vu anyone ? I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt. Still think he is very likely to end up Hendersons number 1 Supreme horse.
        Couldn’t have him at all Lobos. Proved nothing other than what we all knew that he was priced on hype alone.

        Also not sure calling him likely to be Henderson’s number 1 either when a horse has been chucked into a grade 2 novice tomorrow for the same connections. Then you also have Dusart who impressed on debut for his first ever start. Add in Lecale’s (I’d see him over further) but there’s 3 straight away that have done a lot more than Flinteur to show any sort of pecking order imo.

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        • #64
          No entry for Ferny at Leopardstown

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Parachute Paddy View Post
            Frustrating we still haven’t had the injury rumours answered one way or the other, but I wouldn’t read too much into that. Willie never sends his good ones there.

            although I would add he usually leaves all bases covered and leaves them in there right up until final decs. curious that AI was entered but not Ferny.
            Last edited by ToniC; 17 December 2020, 11:55 AM.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Parachute Paddy View Post
              Good to see Cedarwood Road with an entry, although he's going to have to improve a good old amount to be troubling any sort of festival discussion.

              I hope ToniC is right about Ferny in the first half of his post, but it's not particularly encouraging given the rumours is it?!

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              • #67
                Ferny Hollow not in the future champions entries

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Jorvik View Post

                  Good to see Cedarwood Road with an entry, although he's going to have to improve a good old amount to be troubling any sort of festival discussion.

                  I hope ToniC is right about Ferny in the first half of his post, but it's not particularly encouraging given the rumours is it?!
                  Connecting the dots you’d have to be almost certain that he’s had a set back. As many have said, if he was definitely out for the season they would’ve announced it. Wonder what they are aiming for now though. The Moscow flyer or DRF?

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                  • #69
                    Entry or not, it's the not the race (IMO) that I'd want him to run in anyway. The Moscow Flyer and Chanelle Pharma entries will be much more telling for WPM's potential runners.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Parachute Paddy View Post

                      Connecting the dots you’d have to be almost certain that he’s had a set back. As many have said, if he was definitely out for the season they would’ve announced it. Wonder what they are aiming for now though. The Moscow flyer or DRF?
                      Edit: I'm talking out of my arse and forgot about Fernys November run!
                      Last edited by Jorvik; 17 December 2020, 01:21 PM.

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                      • #71
                        Could also be that Ballyadam is going for the race and CPS don’t want them to clash at xmas. I need to stop speculating... Will be interesting to see how the Royal Bond form holds up.

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                        • #72
                          I think it does likely confirm there is a setback but no one has confirmed how serious so fingers crossed we get him back early next year,

                          What is frustrating with the racing community so its difficult to get access to information such as injuries. Even when Patrick was asked on the zoom call about the race could of mentioned Ferny would miss it etc

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Jorvik View Post

                            It basically confirms an issue doesn't it?! Had a quick look and Douvan, Vautour, Min and Getabird all had Nov/Dec runs before their Moscow Flyer wins, as did Klassical Dream and Asterion Forlonge before the Chanelle Phrama. So there's no reason Ferny wouldn't have some sort of run in the same period. It's just to be hoped that he can recover in time from whatever it is.
                            I'm not sure how this squares with Ferny Hollow's victory on 20th November?

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by archie View Post

                              I'm not sure how this squares with Ferny Hollow's victory on 20th November?
                              You're right, it doesn't, i'd completely forgotten about that somehow. FFS, it's been a long old month...

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by ToniC View Post

                                Frustrating we still haven’t had the injury rumours answered one way or the other, but I wouldn’t read too much into that. Willie never sends his good ones there.

                                although I would add he usually leaves all bases covered and leaves them in there right up until final decs. curious that AI was entered but not Ferny.
                                Willie also doesn't tell anyone about injury setbacks too.

                                Just leaves us to check if early entry races leads to 5-day entries being confirmed or not.

                                Hopefully someone in the media will get a question on the missing Ferny Hollow through to him, but I wouldnt hold my breath.
                                "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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