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Interesting to note the Donnelly horses entries...
- GDM (Supreme + Bally)
- Lecales Art (Bally only)
Lecales is entered up for a Bally trial at Cheltenham and GDM had entries in 2m and 2m 6f at DRF
Different trainers and we know they will leave it to trainers as Supreme last year showed
However, can't rule out the possibility that GDM will go Supreme and Lecales does look like Bally (if good enough). This is clearly going to depend what happens at DRF and Willie's other horses for each after that
NRNB for Lecales Bally is 20s and not much worse than rest, but GDM not yet great price NRNB for Supreme, so maybe better to wait or take 33s with cashout
And for the really adventurous that like their related double scenarios, its over 1000-1 for GDM / Lecales......which i think a cheeky tiny bet on is good fun (back enough of these scenarios and a few will come in)
After his run at Christmas TR, Mullins was quoted as saying he wanted to keep him and Appreciate it apart. He ran shishkin and AF together so Donnelly could run two again.
I personally think, given the noises Hendo has been making that it is more likely that Lecales will miss Chelts altogether than it is that GDM drops in trip.
Is the assumption not that Rivi?re will be entered into the MNH?
Yeah, could go that way or just keep them both in the Triumph I suppose. Just thought the filly would get a Supreme entry as well with all the allowances.
Anything majorly significant in the French Aseel entry for this ? We know that JP likes the Supreme (possibly more than the Triumph?) and as a 4 year old FA would receive a handy weight allowance. Could connections he be in a similar predicament to a few years ago when Fakir Doudairies was Triumph hurdle bound and then switched to the Supreme, finishing 4th to Klassical Dream. So OK it didn't work out before but carrying 10:13 in this might be tempting to try it again?
Anything majorly significant in the French Aseel entry for this ? We know that JP likes the Supreme (possibly more than the Triumph?) and as a 4 year old FA would receive a handy weight allowance. Could connections he be in a similar predicament to a few years ago when Fakir Doudairies was Triumph hurdle bound and then switched to the Supreme, finishing 4th to Klassical Dream. So OK it didn't work out before but carrying 10:13 in this might be tempting to try it again?
Anything majorly significant in the French Aseel entry for this ? We know that JP likes the Supreme (possibly more than the Triumph?) and as a 4 year old FA would receive a handy weight allowance. Could connections he be in a similar predicament to a few years ago when Fakir Doudairies was Triumph hurdle bound and then switched to the Supreme, finishing 4th to Klassical Dream. So OK it didn't work out before but carrying 10:13 in this might be tempting to try it again?
Bought by the Donnelly's, not JP. But it's still possible, same can be said of Zanahiyr.
I know many of us were being critical about the current standard of crop in the Supreme but I for one hope French Assel and Zanphiyr stay away because I’ve only got them covered for the Triumph. I’m guessing connections see an opportunity and feel they are good enough given what little opposition Appreciate It has in a race not ideally suitable from his previous performances (bar his last). Would they both get a weight allowance given their age? Can they win?? I saw there entries and got a bit nervous after I though I had this market boxed off!! I was of the understanding 4 yr olds have a very poor record in the Supreme??
I know many of us were being critical about the current standard of crop in the Supreme but I for one hope French Assel and Zanphiyr stay away because I’ve only got them covered for the Triumph. I’m guessing connections see an opportunity and feel they are good enough given what little opposition Appreciate It has in a race not ideally suitable from his previous performances (bar his last). Would they both get a weight allowance given their age? Can they win?? I saw there entries and got a bit nervous after I though I had this market boxed off!! I was of the understanding 4 yr olds have a very poor record in the Supreme??
Very little chance of them taking up the option to run in the Supreme in my opinion. It's more a case of their race planners keeping options open if something crazy happened, like a storm promised mid-week that would threaten the Friday card as a wash-out or bottomless ground, or if Appreciate It dropped out and there was a poor field behind him. There's no down side to having them entered only making punters like us a little nervous.
The example given is Fakir Doudaries running in the Supreme in 2019, its worth pointing out that JP also had Sir Erec in the Triumph that year, a horse they thought was unbeatable (RIP). Juveniles would get a 8lb allowance in the Supreme, but getting 8lbs as 4 year olds from a 7 year old like Appreciate It would not be enough IMO.
If a juvenile was to head to this I would favour Youmdor more than any other as both trainer AND owner have others close to the head of the triumph market???
They just don’t I'm afraid, or very rarely.PresentingPercy gave a very good example of why they don’t, a physically mature and experienced racehorse like Appreciate It is worth plenty more than 8lb for a 4yo, for me the only exception to this would be a very experienced ex flat horse with history of running, battling and winning on deep ground...
They just don’t I'm afraid, or very rarely.PresentingPercy gave a very good example of why they don’t, a physically mature and experienced racehorse like Appreciate It is worth plenty more than 8lb for a 4yo, for me the only exception to this would be a very experienced ex flat horse with history of running, battling and winning on deep ground...
Agree it is not common and also agree it’s a big ask and not a great angle, but folks on here seem to be looking for one and for me Youmdor is the most likely candidate as in addition to the reasons stated he has already had 10 runs.
Of all the juveniles I would imagine he has the closest profile to Hors La Loi. Similar number of flat and hurdle runs to HLL before his Supreme win and both starting out life on the flat in France. I must also confess to being on Binocular at 3 figure prices on the exchange so I do have previous .
Most years we sit here in January thinking we have a poor bunch of 2m novices and sometimes 1/2 come out with a decent performance in their prep and carry that to the race itself and stars are born.
This season I think we’re still paying the price for missing the final 2 months of last season, many horses didn’t make their debuts as planned and there are very probably horses staying in the bumper division who should be over timber by now but trainers may decide to protect their novice status.
It’s no-one’s fault just a symptom of circumstance but we may well still have a top class horse coming from this years renewal, who that might be is more difficult to find....
Fry mulling options as entries revealed for G1 novices’ hurdles at The Festival™ Wednesday, 27 January, 2021 - Entries are unveiled today for the three G1 novices’ hurdles at The Festival™ - the Sky B
Fry mulling options as entries revealed for G1 novices’ hurdles at The Festival™ Wednesday, 27 January, 2021 - Entries are unveiled today for the three G1 novices’ hurdles at The Festival™ - the Sky B
Interesting.
Boothill certainly came across the chasing type on his run, which is why I stuck with him in the Ballymore, as opposed to the Supreme, not that Supreme horses don't go chasing, as the majority probably do, but he looked a fairly bulky animal which I don't think would suit a Supreme, and interestingly he notes the Supreme for Metier but not a race for Boothill. If he has two live chances in two seperate races, which it looks like he does, then I can see him splitting them up for sure.
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