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I don't think it's a given that a 7yo is improving quicker than a 6yo......though you may of course be right - the ratings of the horses at the moment certainly suggests that's the case. When I look at the prices that some of the recent Supreme winners have started at, the current price of Appreciate It just looks a little tight at the moment.
I think given they've changed codes the improvement has come because of the obstacles rather than natural improvement. Third Time Lucki may get closer this season if we removed the hurdles. I still doubt it, but that's the angle for me.
Yeah that's exactly why I highlighted them, to try and put myself off...but I didn't manage
Kev, maybe you've heard of one or two of these horses who have run at Hereford?
1983 Champion Hurdler Gaye Brief began his career by winning a hurdle race at Hereford in November 1981.
1994 Champion Hurdler Flakey Dove finished second in a bumper at Hereford in April 1990.
1997 Champion Hurdler Make A Stand won a novice hurdle at Hereford in May 1996.
1982 Gold Cup winner Silver Buck won a race at Hereford
1983 Gold Cup winner Bregawn won at Hereford
1986 Grand National winner West Tip won a handicap chase at Hereford in 1985 and followed up by winning the Ritz (now the Ultima) at the Festival before falling at Bechers second time round when looking like the winner of that year's National.
Now turning to football........
Hereford United have had a bull on the club badge for as long as I can remember in honour of the world-renowned Hereford cattle breed.
Before every big match at Edgar Street a prize Hereford bull would always be paraded around the ground and some fans would plant a swede in the centre circle (don't ask me why, presumably the rural nature of the county).
I speak as a lifelong fan who was standing on the Meadow End terrace when Ronnie Radford scored the epic goal which helped the Southern League outfit knock mighty Newcastle United out of the Cup in 1972.
They were the days when Hereford United didn't think it was a requirement to have grass on the pitch if I remember rightly NC. That and Hugh Johns commentary. Happy days from long ago.
Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.
They were the days when Hereford United didn't think it was a requirement to have grass on the pitch if I remember rightly NC. That and Hugh Johns commentary. Happy days from long ago.
Very much so - good old clay soil and several rainy days made it an absolute mud-bath the day they beat Newcastle (John Motson's first commentary on Match of the Day).
Mind you, they had already drawn 2-2 at St James's Park to earn the replay.
And in the next round they drew 0-0 at home to another First Division side West Ham (I was at that one too). The Hammers had England World Cup winners Bobby Moore and Geoff Hurst in their team. That was another pretty soggy encounter if I remember rightly.
The replay at Upton Park was played on a midweek afternoon because floodlit matches were banned at the time due to the fuel shortage caused by the miners strike and the country was on a three-day week.
I was a schoolboy and had to miss the game because of school. I was so disappointed. Took a transistor radio to school and hid it in my desk with a lead coming out to to an ear-plug so I could listen during the lessons. It was 3-1 to West Ham. Hurst got a hat-trick and their team included Trevor Brooking, Billy Bonds, Clyde Best and Harry Redknapp.
Our lads were still part-timers but the player manager Colin Addison had a terrific team largely built by previous player manager John Charles - the best header of a ball I've ever seen in my life. What a player - he could barely run by the time he came to Hereford but - he was sensational in the Southern League!!.
After the game West Ham paid 25 grand for our star winger Dudley Tyler who we got on free transfer from Swindon because he'd had a hole in the heart op.
He did all the running for Big John and put the crosses in so he could score with bullet headers which he usually aimed to bounce on the goal-line.
Sorry,I'll stop.
Last edited by nortonscoin200; 20 January 2021, 09:12 PM.
Please stop mentioning Hereford United, every bloody FA cup.
Anyway Crawley - Leeds has taken over from our shoddy efforts of the past. Though we have plenty of shoddy efforts.to.come this year, and possibly relegation.
Very much so - good old clay soil and several rainy days made it an absolute mud-bath the day they beat Newcastle (John Motson's first commentary on Match of the Day).
Mind you, they had already drawn 2-2 at St James's Park to earn the replay.
And in the next round they drew 0-0 at home to another First Division side West Ham (I was at that one too). The Hammers had England World Cup winners Bobby Moore and Geoff Hurst in their team. That was another pretty soggy encounter if I remember rightly.
The replay at Upton Park was played on a midweek afternoon because floodlit matches were banned at the time due to the fuel shortage caused by the miners strike and the country was on a three-day week.
I was a schoolboy and had to miss the game because of school. I was so disappointed. Took a transistor radio to school and hid it in my desk with a lead coming out to to an ear-plug so I could listen during the lessons. It was 3-1 to West Ham. Hurst got a hat-trick and their team included Trevor Brooking, Billy Bonds, Clyde Best and Harry Redknapp.
Our lads were still part-timers but the player manager Colin Addison had a terrific team largely built by previous player manager John Charles - the best header of a ball I've ever seen in my life. What a player - he could barely run by the time he came to Hereford but - he was sensational in the Southern League!!.
After the game West Ham paid 25 grand for our star winger Dudley Tyler who we got on free transfer from Swindon because he'd had a hole in the heart op.
He did all the running for Big John and put the crosses in so he could score with bullet headers which he usually aimed to bounce on the goal-line.
Is Appreciate It going to be 11/4 or bigger, between now and the Supreme?
Is he going to the DRF? (I can't find any musings from Mullins)
Will bookies look to take him on (almost certainly yes)
Will he have contracted before they do that?
I reckon this PP NRNB special at 11/4 might hold for a few days again meaning I can get a decent stake on.
I would think shorter, i backed AI for the Ballymore and cashed in 2/3 of my stakes, seems supreme is more nailed on by the day, with lack of challengers. I've missed the boat now and decided to leave it to the day and hope there are plenty of specials to get the bet onside.
I would think shorter, i backed AI for the Ballymore and cashed in 2/3 of my stakes, seems supreme is more nailed on by the day, with lack of challengers. I've missed the boat now and decided to leave it to the day and hope there are plenty of specials to get the bet onside.
Not sure about lack of challengers myself. The tolworth hurdle winner looks a big threat to me from what i saw. I mean for all we know, Metier might be a better 2 miler than AI, it is possible.
Third Time Lucki looks pretty solid for a good run, Ballyadam i think is better than his last run when stable seemed a tad out of sorts . We should also have the likes of Boothill, My Drago who could put themselves right in the picture after their next runs, probably a few others could improve enough to figure.
Whilst at this moment it does not look the strongest Supreme, things could change a tad by race time.
This is my first year betting antepost and as someone who also doesnt have Appreciate it backed for the supreme ive been thinking about getting him in a roll up soon enough, but what are these specials that ive seen people talking about waiting for? Will there be price boosts for him on the day or another thing I heard is that some horses get boosted for a certain amount of time at preview nights?
This is my first year betting antepost and as someone who also doesnt have Appreciate it backed for the supreme ive been thinking about getting him in a roll up soon enough, but what are these specials that ive seen people talking about waiting for? Will there be price boosts for him on the day or another thing I heard is that some horses get boosted for a certain amount of time at preview nights?
Some horses get boosted preview nights but its impossible to know which ones they will be, so as a strategy best off getting them in the book beforehand.
This is my first year betting antepost and as someone who also doesnt have Appreciate it backed for the supreme ive been thinking about getting him in a roll up soon enough, but what are these specials that ive seen people talking about waiting for? Will there be price boosts for him on the day or another thing I heard is that some horses get boosted for a certain amount of time at preview nights?
You get preview night ones but there's no guarantee of those.
You also find that on the day, the bookies will tend to try and get the favourite beat, and with all the competition between bookies, you can tend to get a decent price in the Supreme
This is my first year betting antepost and as someone who also doesnt have Appreciate it backed for the supreme ive been thinking about getting him in a roll up soon enough, but what are these specials that ive seen people talking about waiting for? Will there be price boosts for him on the day or another thing I heard is that some horses get boosted for a certain amount of time at preview nights?
You should be able to get a Dublin - Cheltenham double of some sort.
I'd wait for that.
Yeah the drf plus supreme double was my main thought along with a roll up if I saw a good chance. The preview night boost I agree is not something to be banking on, but would be handy if it happened. Shishkin started at 6/1 last year having been half that in the weeks leading up to it so plenty of opportunities yet I suppose.
Yeah the drf plus supreme double was my main thought along with a roll up if I saw a good chance. The preview night boost I agree is not something to be banking on, but would be handy if it happened. Shishkin started at 6/1 last year having been half that in the weeks leading up to it so plenty of opportunities yet I suppose.
If you think he's too short in the betting then I'd just leave him for now.
With all the free bets and promotions available on the Monday and Tuesday, you should be able to build up a decent bet on him.
Am I alone in thinking Appreciate It isn't a complete shoe in? I think he's the right favourite, but should it be 5/2, 7/1 and 16/1 bar?!
I still think he'd be a better horse in the Ballymore, and there's a good chance he'll be beaten by something with a better turn of foot. It's just one of those races and markets where I really want to be against the favourite.
Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.
Am I alone in thinking Appreciate It isn't a complete shoe in? I think he's the right favourite, but should it be 5/2, 7/1 and 16/1 bar?!
I still think he'd be a better horse in the Ballymore, and there's a good chance he'll be beaten by something with a better turn of foot. It's just one of those races and markets where I really want to be against the favourite.
I posted something similar a week or two ago
Think 2m4f would suit him perfectly and he could get outspeeded over 2 miles
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