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MARTIN PIPE Conditionals Handicap Hurdle

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  • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

    Freedom of Dreams has the beating of GJ here on form as per Bay of Freedom. He could be real value should he get in.
    There is next to no chance, IMO, that Grand Jury or Eric Bloodaxe ran their races at the DRF, and for that reason I'm not having Freedom Of Dreams ahead of GJ. We know, from the Lawlors Of Naas run, that GJ was very slightly ahead of Hollow Games. Hollow Games was 12 lengths ahead of Freedom To Dream at the DRF.

    It may well have just been the trip that found GJ out as he's not a slow horse and coming back to 2m4f for the Pipe will likely be a positive. Whatever the reason, GJ remains ahead of FTD for me.

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    • I have a feeling BOF may have something to say on this matter. Maybe FOD didn't run his race either . Certainly got a lovely mark for not doing soI'll leave it there.

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      • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
        I have a feeling BOF may have something to say on this matter. Maybe FOD didn't run his race either . Certainly got a lovely mark for not doing soI'll leave it there.
        I respect any owner coming on here and being bullish about their own horses, though it is what I'd expect, in fairness.

        It also doesn't mean I have to agree. However, I would, of course, wish them the absolute best of luck. We'd all love to be in their position, I'm sure.

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        • Absolutely COD. If everyone agreed with BOF, Freedom of Dreams would be 4/1 fav !

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          • A little birdie tells me 16/1 for the Imperial Cup might be worth a poke for a certain runner.....

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            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
              A little birdie tells me 16/1 for the Imperial Cup might be worth a poke for a certain runner.....
              I can only assume this came from some bullish owner, Kev!
              As regards Freedom to Dream in this: he had a slight wind issue at Leopardstown and, as reported, had a bad blood count at Limerick. I would not, and have never, said he will win this - I would think there are even more unexposed horses who will burst onto the scene. Certainly, the handicapper agrees with ComplyOrDie as Grand Jury is 7 pounds higher than FTD despite finishing 16l behind at Leopardstown. We will improve - that's all I will say.
              The part I do agree with is ComplyOrDie noting how lucky I am to have two such decent horses who allow me to dream of getting into these races with half a chance. Now..let me figure out this Imperial Cup!

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              • Originally posted by Bayoffreedom View Post

                I can only assume this came from some bullish owner, Kev!
                As regards Freedom to Dream in this: he had a slight wind issue at Leopardstown and, as reported, had a bad blood count at Limerick. I would not, and have never, said he will win this - I would think there are even more unexposed horses who will burst onto the scene. Certainly, the handicapper agrees with ComplyOrDie as Grand Jury is 7 pounds higher than FTD despite finishing 16l behind at Leopardstown. We will improve - that's all I will say.
                The part I do agree with is ComplyOrDie noting how lucky I am to have two such decent horses who allow me to dream of getting into these races with half a chance. Now..let me figure out this Imperial Cup!

                ….Sporting Life’s Ben Linfoot puts up Freedom to Dream in this as his best Friday bet & his e/w selection of the meeting. 50-1 NRNB with 365, I wonder if Ben has been chatting with the owner.

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                • Originally posted by Eggs View Post


                  ….Sporting Life’s Ben Linfoot puts up Freedom to Dream in this as his best Friday bet & his e/w selection of the meeting. 50-1 NRNB with 365, I wonder if Ben has been chatting with the owner.
                  Lurker!!!!

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                  • Originally posted by Eggs View Post


                    ….Sporting Life’s Ben Linfoot puts up Freedom to Dream in this as his best Friday bet & his e/w selection of the meeting. 50-1 NRNB with 365, I wonder if Ben has been chatting with the owner.
                    50/1, jeez, I'll be honest, when I was debating FTD with Lobos, I hadn't even checked his price, for some reason I had it in my head he was around the 14-16/1 mark, that'll teach me for not looking.

                    I'm not so stubborn that I won't go back on myself, especially at that price, so I've decided to follow the love, and back him at 50/1.

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                    • Langer Dan not in imperial cup as expected

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                      • Had a brief chat with elliot at a preview night tonight. Said he'll run 7 here with Hollow games and chemical energy his best chances. Langer Dan the one to beat in his view.

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                        • Originally posted by PresentingPercy View Post
                          Had a brief chat with elliot at a preview night tonight. Said he'll run 7 here with Hollow games and chemical energy his best chances. Langer Dan the one to beat in his view.
                          Excellent. I agree. He'll be pleased to know.

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                          • With surprise package winning there I think it’s a good sign for freedom to dream for this. Big eye catcher last run and can still get 50/1 nrnb with bet365

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                            • Chemical Energy 10s early price with PP.

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                              • This looks like the most deep handicap of the week to me

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