MARTIN PIPE Conditionals Handicap Hurdle

[Outlaw]

I’d still be surprised if Hollow Games doesn’t run in either of the open races as they’ve not campaigned him with handicaps in mind. He’s also been running on merit as opposed to hiding himself in graded races. He’d still be a place contender on known form and we don’t know if the step up to 3 could bring out some improvement. It also looks like Gordon has a good few that have been campaigned for handicaps and will be more well in for this (including for same connections).

It's a fair response and I agree he's been campaigned with lets see how good you are but now he's ended up on 138 you couldn't fault them entering him in hcaps as if it where to be a soft ground fez for example you'd expect him to be very competitive in a handicap around the 143 mark dare I say like another expensive Gordy horse who didn't quite live up to what was expected from his bumper runs.... Blow By Blow.

[Istabraq]

This is pretty much why I take the view I do about first season novices being allowed to compete in the handicaps.
Hollow Games has been talked all season about being an Albert Bartlett horse, capable of winning a G1 festival novice hurdle, but when the handicapper issues a mark like that you can see why heads might get turned to handicaps…

[Outlaw]

This is pretty much why I take the view I do about first season novices being allowed to compete in the handicaps.
Hollow Games has been talked all season about being an Albert Bartlett horse, capable of winning a G1 festival novice hurdle, but when the handicapper issues a mark like that you can see why heads might get turned to handicaps…

Agree fully, I tell you something thou which a few might scoff at but If Minella Cocooner had been the jolly and a bit more hype like Hollow Games(that's not a dig ) He'd prob of got a higher rating than the 143 he's ended up with and others would be marked up or at the least stayed on the same ratings. Capper clearly didn't think it was a strong renewal vs previous 3 which time will only tell but and you see it time and time again when one seemingly unconsidered goes in.

[Kevloaf]

Irish handicapper marks:

Grand Jury 138
Hollow Games 138
Minella Crooner 139
Minella Cocooner 143


Ginto was given 146 for comparison purposes.

I backed the Ginto / Hollow Games (Pipe) NRNB double last night.

I think NRNB you have to back Minalla Crooner and Hollow Games at double figures.... likely to be money back but either would go off single figures....

A bit of faffing so won't be for everyone but you'd be in a decent spot.

[ComplyOrDie]

I backed the Ginto / Hollow Games (Pipe) NRNB double last night.

I think NRNB you have to back Minalla Crooner and Hollow Games at double figures.... likely to be money back but either would go off single figures....

A bit of faffing so won't be for everyone but you'd be in a decent spot.

I like these and was contemplating the bets.

May have to yield, and get them on!

[Curly]

22nd February I believe, though stand to be corrected

Enter by noon, February 22nd and pay ?95 stake
Confirm by noon on March 12th and pay ?280
Declare by 10.00 a.m. March 16th
Weights published on March 1st

[YoungHustler]

The more I see hollow games run the more I just dont think hes a grade 1 standard horse

Kinda reminds me of stattler last season

Iv got nice prices on him but I'd be pretty surprised if he won at this stage

I would agree and have cashed out. He just looks really one paced imo. The handicap mark is tempting but back at 2m4f, there's always going to be quicker horses passing him at the finish.

[RoadToCheltenham]

Anyharminasking +13 to 140 - you'd have to imagine he will line up here now...

[FredFlintstone]

Adamantly Chosen declared on Thursday over 2 miles.

He was very green on hurdles debut, ran exceptional well considering greenness and form of that race is working out well. He was then beat in Cork by Ebasari conceding nearly a stone, both pulled clear of the field in the straight.

He is only 5 with little racing experience so was likely to improve throughout the season, Mullins pre season mentioned he will likely step up in trip as the season progresses.

[fatherjohn]

I think positive for langer dan fans

Dan Skelton on Langer Dan:

“How did we run into Galopin Des Champs in a handicap? It was remarkable really... He’s going to run at Taunton on February 22. Then he will be strongly considered for the Imperial Cup and then the Martin Pipe again.”

https://twitter.com/_JDRacing/status/1491398705219776514?t=olSwmEJrszUpxiJyRkKrvg&s=19

[Madmoose]

I think positive for langer dan fans

Dan Skelton on Langer Dan:

“How did we run into Galopin Des Champs in a handicap? It was remarkable really... He’s going to run at Taunton on February 22. Then he will be strongly considered for the Imperial Cup and then the Martin Pipe again.”

https://twitter.com/_JDRacing/status...iJyRkKrvg&s=19

Be great when Willie beats him with another type with loads in hand

[Kevloaf]

I think positive for langer dan fans

Dan Skelton on Langer Dan:

“How did we run into Galopin Des Champs in a handicap? It was remarkable really... He’s going to run at Taunton on February 22. Then he will be strongly considered for the Imperial Cup and then the Martin Pipe again.”

https://twitter.com/_JDRacing/status...iJyRkKrvg&s=19

Has a point doesn't he

Gonna be no price in either though now

[Quevega]

Going to have to run badly at Taunton or else he may get punished.
The three runs in 20+ days after a year off isn't healthy either.
Likely one or the other I think.

[isitmarchyet]

Going to have to run badly at Taunton or else he may get punished.
The three runs in 20+ days after a year off isn't healthy either.
Likely one or the other I think.

Yeah, the rest of the quote:

“We may not go to the Imperial Cup. I haven’t spoken to to Colm (owner) to see if we’ll definitely give him an entry in the Coral Cup, but he is basically aiming for the Martin Pipe.”

[FinalFurlong91]

I think positive for langer dan fans

Dan Skelton on Langer Dan:

“How did we run into Galopin Des Champs in a handicap? It was remarkable really... He’s going to run at Taunton on February 22. Then he will be strongly considered for the Imperial Cup and then the Martin Pipe again.”

https://twitter.com/_JDRacing/status...iJyRkKrvg&s=19

Thanks for posting

Good to hear, will be tough to beat unless there's another future gold cup winner in the field