MARTIN PIPE Conditionals Handicap Hurdle

[ComplyOrDie]

Michael Purcell entires.

Won by the Goffer last year on his way to the Martin Pipe. Hoping it's third time lucky for Landrake to get his fourth qualifying run in.

He looks a fair way clear of the rest in here, apart from Sa Fureur who is also with Caldwell/Gordon. Next highest is Rexem who he is 10 pounds clear of on ratings, so shouldn't be going up in the weights if he were to beat these lot.

Has Landrake already been over to get a UK mark, do you remember?

[Dandrew99]

Has Landrake already been over to get a UK mark, do you remember?

Not that I'm aware of mate, no. And I have been keeping a very close eye on him for the past 6 weeks or so.

[Odin]

Well he's won plenty .....


Also reckon level stakes backing JP handicappers would be the worst ROI of any

I'm procrastinating so actually had a look at this for the last 10 years of handicaps at Cheltenham.

JP isn't the worst ROI of all big owners by virtue of having 11 winners from 204 runners (-135SP, -115.32BFSP), but he is the worst of the big guns to have had winners as Gigginstown 10 from 96 (+76SP, +102.51BFSP) and Hemmings 3 from 35 (+79SP, +152.97BFSP) both have profit in that time period

Incredibly Ricci (0 from 30, 3 places) and Munir/Suede (0 from 26, 5 places) haven't had a handicap winner despite more darts than I anticipated

[Muswell]

https://twitter.com/irishracing/status/1626510845462081537?s=46&t=WiAnEzhgCdCyZ9GD6iNDjg

[Garrison Savannah]

https://twitter.com/irishracing/stat...CdCyZ9GD6iNDjg

Couldn’t hear a word of that

[AaronLad]

Couldn’t hear a word of that

spanish harlem martin pipe.
he was basically saying they've made it harder for 4 runs for novices but one that just recently had his 4th run spanish harlem.
real chaser for the future

[Lobos]

spanish harlem martin pipe.
he was basically saying they've made it harder for 4 runs for novices but one that just recently had his 4th run spanish harlem.
real chaser for the future

Great news. Thanks Aaron.

Looking at his rating, would he even get in ??

If he does then his price won't last for sure!

[Eggs]

Great news. Thanks Aaron.

Looking at his rating, would he even get in ??

If he does then his price won't last for sure!

….going the GDC route, looks like plenty of Oddschecker blue, as low as 10-1 in places. 16-1 NRNB looking the biggest with 365.

[Winging The Last]

I have to say I do have big doubts over the ability that Spanish Harlem has from his performances this season (And I have him backed from the start of the season A/R)

Yes he is going the MP most likely which is the 'GDC route' however that is the only part of the GDC route.

GDC novice campaign leading up to the MP was:

Auteuil - VSoft - 2.2m - Won
GP - Heavy - 2m - 2nd
Limerick (G2) - Heavy - 2m - PU
Leopardstown (G1) - Heavy - 2m - 6th

So didn't run over 2.4 until the MP and ran only on Heavy ground. The MP is 2.4 1/2m and was run on Good to Soft. Since then GDC has only run on G/S with Soft the works he's run on.

To me that says that GDC improved significantly for the trip and the better ground.


Spanish Harlem on the other hand:

Auteuil - Heavy - 2m - 1st
GP - Heavy - 2m - 3rd
Fairyhouse - Soft/Heavy - 2.4m - 2nd (Beaten 12l)
Thurles - Good/Good to Soft - 2.4m - 2nd

To me that shows that SH is more exposed and both trip and ground level and hasn't impressed that much (last race he couldn't beat a 130 rated handicapper)


I hope I'm wrong but I don't see the amount of space for progression that GDC had going into the race

[nortonscoin200]

Great news. Thanks Aaron.

Looking at his rating, would he even get in ??

If he does then his price won't last for sure!

Spanish Harlem's Irish mark is 131.

Martin Pipe lowest rating last 5 years (latest first): 132 132 136 126 136

The Bosses Oscar came second in the same Thurles rated novice race that Spanish Harlem was a close second in lto.

The Bosses Oscar was given an Irish mark of 132 after the race - and got hiked to 138 for the Pipe where he came fifth.

So the chances are Spanish Oscar will get put up enough (maybe 136-137) to have been guaranteed a run in the last 5 years.

As you say, the 16-1 wont last long.

[Quevega]

I have to say I do have big doubts over the ability that Spanish Harlem has from his performances this season (And I have him backed from the start of the season A/R)

Yes he is going the MP most likely which is the 'GDC route' however that is the only part of the GDC route.

GDC novice campaign leading up to the MP was:

Auteuil - VSoft - 2.2m - Won
GP - Heavy - 2m - 2nd
Limerick (G2) - Heavy - 2m - PU
Leopardstown (G1) - Heavy - 2m - 6th

So didn't run over 2.4 until the MP and ran only on Heavy ground. The MP is 2.4 1/2m and was run on Good to Soft. Since then GDC has only run on G/S with Soft the works he's run on.

To me that says that GDC improved significantly for the trip and the better ground.


Spanish Harlem on the other hand:

Auteuil - Heavy - 2m - 1st
GP - Heavy - 2m - 3rd
Fairyhouse - Soft/Heavy - 2.4m - 2nd (Beaten 12l)
Thurles - Good/Good to Soft - 2.4m - 2nd

To me that shows that SH is more exposed and both trip and ground level and hasn't impressed that much (last race he couldn't beat a 130 rated handicapper)


I hope I'm wrong but I don't see the amount of space for progression that GDC had going into the race

I think the old "Sun on his back" might get trotted out if he bolts up.
Jonjo, lived off that one for a few years until he became just a JP leech.

[nortonscoin200]

I think the old "Sun on his back" might get trotted out if he bolts up.
Jonjo, lived off that one for a few years until he became just a JP leech.

One problem Quevega - it was absolutely chucking it down when Spanish Harlem won at Auteuil

https://www.france-galop.com/fr/chev...ZNRW83VERxQT09

[Quevega]

One problem Quevega - it was absolutely chucking it down when Spanish Harlem won at Auteuil

https://www.france-galop.com/fr/chev...ZNRW83VERxQT09

You should be a steward

[Dandrew99]

I have to say I do have big doubts over the ability that Spanish Harlem has from his performances this season (And I have him backed from the start of the season A/R)

To me that shows that SH is more exposed and both trip and ground level and hasn't impressed that much (last race he couldn't beat a 130 rated handicapper)

I hope I'm wrong but I don't see the amount of space for progression that GDC had going into the race

I agree, I struggle to see Spanish Harlem having anywhere near enough in hand to win a Martin Pipe. We say this so often, but if he wasn't with Willie then nobody would even be thinking about him. He's looked bang average to me so far.

[riccirich]

I’ve backed Spanish Harlem and cashed him out about three times now. Kept getting sucked back in on the idea that he is the one big Mullins plot for this race, but I’ve just decided that I don’t think he’s very good at the moment. He hasn’t been overly weak in the market his last two runs, and it looked like they were trying to win lto but he’s just very one paced. He’d be on the shortlist for next years nh chase if he improves over fences but I’ve seen nothing to suggest he can win this so far.