The ULTIMA Handicap Steeplechase

[Kevloaf]

Stay Away Fay beats The Changing Man at Exeter, with Grey Dawning in behind

Beats Giovinco next time out, who finished 3rd in the BANC .... where SAF Pulls up.

Before pulling up, runs creditably as a novice in the Grade 2 Cotswold Chase, beaten 3.5L only

Then falls off a cliff

Still rated 150, where The Changing Man is 140

I wanted him to be thrown in on old form and he's just not .... went off 2nd fav tour the BANC and now he's 40/1 for the Ultima the next year

This game is too hard

I'm supposed to looking at day 3 in detail and ended up back at the Ultima.... ffs

Keep getting distracted .... went to find a quote for Jubilee Alpha, then thought about Il Ridoto in the Plate and ended up here, if anyone was wondering

[That Horse]

Stay Away Fay beats The Changing Man at Exeter, with Grey Dawning in behind

Beats Giovinco next time out, who finished 3rd in the BANC .... where SAF Pulls up.

Before pulling up, runs creditably as a novice in the Grade 2 Cotswold Chase, beaten 3.5L only

Then falls off a cliff

Still rated 150, where The Changing Man is 140

I wanted him to be thrown in on old form and he's just not .... went off 2nd fav tour the BANC and now he's 40/1 for the Ultima the next year

This game is too hard

I'm supposed to looking at day 3 in detail and ended up back at the Ultima.... ffs

Keep getting distracted .... went to find a quote for Jubilee Alpha, then thought about Il Ridoto in the Plate and ended up here, if anyone was wondering

Did you also end up backing Nicholls for top trainer?

[ComplyOrDie]

Keep getting distracted .... went to find a quote for Jubilee Alpha, then thought about Il Ridoto in the Plate and ended up here, if anyone was wondering

Not Ultima related but backed Il Ridoto yesterday, like both Ginny's Destiny & him for Nicholls in that race. Not sure if he'll run both but backed both anyway!

Think Nicholls said Il Ridoto needs Good ground, which he's currently going to get you'd imagine.

[Prestbury]

Not Ultima related but backed Il Ridoto yesterday, like both Ginny's Destiny & him for Nicholls in that race. Not sure if he'll run both but backed both anyway!

Think Nicholls said Il Ridoto needs Good ground, which he's currently going to get you'd imagine.

Not wanting to derail the Ultima thread with Plate talk but re Il Ridoto, I recall Nicholls saying that he had trouble getting Il Ridoto to retain his form through the season. This is backed up to some extent by his form figures which for the first 3 starts of a campaign are 31P441323516 whereas on his 4th start onwards they are 3836P08P8. That's obviously not a completely fair comparison as Festival races which are generally more competitive come at the back end of the season but something to bear in mind.

[Kevloaf]

Did you also end up backing Nicholls for top trainer?

Well that's exactly the rabbit hole I went down.... was looking at the Mares Novice Hurdle and though what way could I perhaps get her covered (and his other in that) as a bit of a disaster double ... then remembered I liked Ginny's Destiny in the Plate, then saw Il Ridotto .... THEN I remembered other gaps on Thursday I have are Monmiral in the Stayers that I wasn't that arsed about, then on his stable tour he has Henri in the pertemps and by this point I'm thinking feck me I'm having a disaster super yankee which isn't ideal...... then Stay Away Fay caught my eye, and I'm not 45 minutes later on the same thread, no futher ahead


Very small stakes, GOLIATH and I can move on with my life

[Dilinja]

Well that's exactly the rabbit hole I went down.... was looking at the Mares Novice Hurdle and though what way could I perhaps get her covered (and his other in that) as a bit of a disaster double ... then remembered I liked Ginny's Destiny in the Plate, then saw Il Ridotto .... THEN I remembered other gaps on Thursday I have are Monmiral in the Stayers that I wasn't that arsed about, then on his stable tour he has Henri in the pertemps and by this point I'm thinking feck me I'm having a disaster super yankee which isn't ideal...... then Stay Away Fay caught my eye, and I'm not 45 minutes later on the same thread, no futher ahead


Very small stakes, GOLIATH and I can move on with my life

SAF caught my eye too, but nicholls pretty much said it was a prep for the national. But you never know so ended up doing the Hail Mary Albert Bartlett 2023 related double backing SAF in the ultima and Thomas Mor in the pertemps. 1393/1 nrnb

[Kevloaf]

Not that anyone is talking up Crebilly for this ... but he's 10/1 or thereabouts....

Last year in the Plate he was just a neck ahead of Straw Fan Jack - who is one of the rank outsiders and bottom weight

5x the price of the 4th favourite, and was getting lbs from him last year, gets 11lbs last year, so theoretically he's 4 lbs better off for that neck defeat

They both fall down on the 3m RPR stat but if you were looking at Crebilly, there is no reason not to add the bottom weight at 50/1 (and likely bigger Tuesday)!

Boyle look like they're 6 places, BOG and money back if 2nd to SP fav?

Not used them much if someone can confirm that's 'now'?

[Kevloaf]

What the sweet jesus is Frero Banbou doing as rank outsider here?

Beat The Changing Man .... at Newcastle in the Rehersal Chase

Ned claimed 3, so they're meeting off the same again, but they jump the last together and Frero Babbou is the one who wins ....

Tempted by 19/1 (10 places) - that's over double the price of the horse who is joint fav



Granted he's much worse off on the last run, BUT, his best ever RPR is at Cheltenham when placing at the festival (Grand Annual) ..... which was his only run on the old course .... 3rd place

Also 6th in the Plate last year, better off with Crebilly and worse off with Straw Fan Jack

[Big Bucks]

Not that anyone is talking up Crebilly for this ... but he's 10/1 or thereabouts....

Last year in the Plate he was just a neck ahead of Straw Fan Jack - who is one of the rank outsiders and bottom weight

5x the price of the 4th favourite, and was getting lbs from him last year, gets 11lbs last year, so theoretically he's 4 lbs better off for that neck defeat

They both fall down on the 3m RPR stat but if you were looking at Crebilly, there is no reason not to add the bottom weight at 50/1 (and likely bigger Tuesday)!

Boyle look like they're 6 places, BOG and money back if 2nd to SP fav?

Not used them much if someone can confirm that's 'now'?

I bet with them quite a bit and it's usually 8am day of the race, but is quite poor they do have the symbol "BOG" in their race cards now, i wouldn't chance it tbh, but very misleading I have to admit and could interpret that it's live now.


correct with the money back free bet 2nd to sp favourite.

[Durham Edition]

What the sweet jesus is Frero Banbou doing as rank outsider here?

Beat The Changing Man .... at Newcastle in the Rehersal Chase

Ned claimed 3, so they're meeting off the same again, but they jump the last together and Frero Babbou is the one who wins ....

Tempted by 19/1 (10 places) - that's over double the price of the horse who is joint fav



Granted he's much worse off on the last run, BUT, his best ever RPR is at Cheltenham when placing at the festival (Grand Annual) ..... which was his only run on the old course .... 3rd place

Also 6th in the Plate last year, better off with Crebilly and worse off with Straw Fan Jack

Thanks for this Kev, I love a bit of Frero Banbou will have a bit of the 10 places.

[Rigga]

Where’s the 10 places at Kev ?

[Kevloaf]

Where’s the 10 places at Kev ?

365

Each way extra

[Goldentouch]

Anyone else at a complete loss with this race? Usually this is one of my main races and I have one I really like. However, this year I just can't pin my hopes to anything.
Originally liked Broadway Boy, but looks weak in his finish at cheltenham, has too much weight and doesn't often win.
Then I sided with henrys friend, but just can't see him overturning that hennessy form and then a PU at cheltenham is a huge worry.
Next I moved onto king turgeon, but just don't see it improving enough to win this race.
Even looked at victtorino and tried to talk myself into reasoning that he only struggled last year due to the heavy going... clutching at straws here.

Just wondered if anyone else is having the same problem this year or if it's just me..

[Zachx02]

Anyone else at a complete loss with this race? Usually this is one of my main races and I have one I really like. However, this year I just can't pin my hopes to anything.
Originally liked Broadway Boy, but looks weak in his finish at cheltenham, has too much weight and doesn't often win.
Then I sided with henrys friend, but just can't see him overturning that hennessy form and then a PU at cheltenham is a huge worry.
Next I moved onto king turgeon, but just don't see it improving enough to win this race.
Even looked at victtorino and tried to talk myself into reasoning that he only struggled last year due to the heavy going... clutching at straws here.

Just wondered if anyone else is having the same problem this year or if it's just me..

I've been on Myretown for a while for this just didn't know if he'd sneak in but hes got in at bottom weight and seems to be getting back on the machine over the last 24 hours

[Can't Catch Me]

Anyone else at a complete loss with this race? Usually this is one of my main races and I have one I really like. However, this year I just can't pin my hopes to anything.
Originally liked Broadway Boy, but looks weak in his finish at cheltenham, has too much weight and doesn't often win.
Then I sided with henrys friend, but just can't see him overturning that hennessy form and then a PU at cheltenham is a huge worry.
Next I moved onto king turgeon, but just don't see it improving enough to win this race.
Even looked at victtorino and tried to talk myself into reasoning that he only struggled last year due to the heavy going... clutching at straws here.

Just wondered if anyone else is having the same problem this year or if it's just me..

Couldn't agree more. Been one of my more successful races over the years and one I like to focus on. Can't find a single one I like!