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The ULTIMA Handicap Steeplechase

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  • He briefly covered all of his horses, said something very similar with Pic Roc (good chances etc) and didn't mention which race he would go for
    Originally posted by Eggs View Post

    ….any mention of Pic Roc?

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    • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
      One of the angles I like, in handicaps in particular, is looking back at the previous festival for horses that were well backed last year, and are much bigger prices coming back to the race the year after - looking at why they're so much bigger now than then - what went wrong, are they being overlooked?

      Trelawne went off 5/1 2F in the Ultima and fell, 2 fences out – way too early to comment on how he’d have done but what has he done since to make him 5 times the price now?


      He didn’t run again that season, so first run this year he beat Iroko half-a-length, who is classy and one of the Grand National favourites, as well as just finishing up being the G1 winning Grey Dawning

      Next time out he was 4th, giving 9lbs to Victtorino (beaten 9.75L) with The Changing Man 2nd (0.5L behind) giving him 17lbs – he meets Vicctorino now just 3lbs worse off, so a 6lbs swing and The Changing Man also 5lbs better off with and he’s one of the favourites for the race, albeit TCM is well handicapped still on that specific run

      His last run wasn’t as good, at Haydock in soft, but back at Cheltenham (where let’s not forget he’s also finished beaten less than 4L by Ginny’s Destiny and Grey Dawning in 3rd I’m happy to speculate the track is no issue for him


      I think 25/1 NRNB is over priced at the moment – he may well end up bigger or the same price with more places so I’ll going to back now with a view to backing again – but I think he’s really being underestimated here.

      He’s hardly been poor this season and was 5/1, he’s now 25/1 – all aboard the Trelawne train
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      I'll also consider Famous Bridge who placed 4th last year, off 3lb higher, but for the same owner who won it with Vintage Clouds at 28/1 after the previous year being a shorter price and also placed but was higher the following season
      Connections of Trelawne stayed at the same digs as us last season, they was very confident of a win, see how they get on this time around.

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      • Crebilly looks like he's could come here, Jonjo Jr suggesting on decent ground he'd prefer this race

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        • Originally posted by AnFiieLD. View Post
          Crebilly looks like he's could come here, Jonjo Jr suggesting on decent ground he'd prefer this race
          He is frankly an idiot. Utterly ridiculous if he goes here. He wouldn’t stay this trip in a horse box.

          He had the plate for the taking. Awful decision making if he goes here

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          • Originally posted by AnFiieLD. View Post
            Crebilly looks like he's could come here, Jonjo Jr suggesting on decent ground he'd prefer this race
            Related double with jagwar in the plate probably worth a go, nrnb of course, as crebilly looked theyre likely main hope in that.

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            • Originally posted by AnFiieLD. View Post
              Crebilly looks like he's could come here, Jonjo Jr suggesting on decent ground he'd prefer this race
              I’ve been fearing this, just have to keep my fingers crossed.

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              • Re Crebilly, maybe the thinking is he has more chance currently of getting into the Ultima??
                There's no way I'd back him for the race though.

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                • I think search for glory could have a squeak in this. You'd think the first day will be good to soft/soft in places with expected watering. I know the Irish don't have the best record but I like that Albert bartlett form and has stamina to stay on up the hill. Just hope he doesn't get outpaced or it be a bit quick for him

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                  • Heads up All. Alan King has revealed to ITV Racing that Masaccio will not run in the Ultima on Tuesday, instead feature later in the week in either the Jack Richards Novices' Handicap Chase or TrustATrade Plate. He will also have cheekpieces added for the first time having worked well in them at home.

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                    • Originally posted by BuckingTheits Trend View Post
                      Heads up All. Alan King has revealed to ITV Racing that Masaccio will not run in the Ultima on Tuesday, instead feature later in the week in either the Jack Richards Novices' Handicap Chase or TrustATrade Plate. He will also have cheekpieces added for the first time having worked well in them at home.
                      It’s no surprise. I’ve posted on here on several occasions over the past fortnight.

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                      • A bit like trying to reason with a heard of cocker spaniels

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                        • For those who like her, SkyBet have Malina Girl 3/1 to place (Top 5).

                          She's 12/1 with them for the race. That's 2.4/1 at 1/5th odds for the place part. Obviously if she only places you've paid double stakes playing the 12/1 E/W in which case you're actually only getting a return of between 4/6 & 8/11.

                          You can get bigger with Ladbrokes, she's 14/1 with them but only paying 4 places, albeit 1/4 of the odds.

                          As a standalone bet the 3/1 top 5 is a cracking price, even more so as the 2nd fav in that market, Masaccio, is not even running in the race.

                          I appreciate some will view these as 'account closure' bets but I'm already restricted so screw SkyBet.

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                          • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                            For those who like her, SkyBet have Malina Girl 3/1 to place (Top 5).

                            She's 12/1 with them for the race. That's 2.4/1 at 1/5th odds for the place part. Obviously if she only places you've paid double stakes playing the 12/1 E/W in which case you're actually only getting a return of between 4/6 & 8/11.

                            You can get bigger with Ladbrokes, she's 14/1 with them but only paying 4 places, albeit 1/4 of the odds.

                            As a standalone bet the 3/1 top 5 is a cracking price, even more so as the 2nd fav in that market, Masaccio, is not even running in the race.

                            I appreciate some will view these as 'account closure' bets but I'm already restricted so screw SkyBet.
                            I like it mate, cheers

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                            • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                              For those who like her, SkyBet have Malina Girl 3/1 to place (Top 5).

                              She's 12/1 with them for the race. That's 2.4/1 at 1/5th odds for the place part. Obviously if she only places you've paid double stakes playing the 12/1 E/W in which case you're actually only getting a return of between 4/6 & 8/11.

                              You can get bigger with Ladbrokes, she's 14/1 with them but only paying 4 places, albeit 1/4 of the odds.

                              As a standalone bet the 3/1 top 5 is a cracking price, even more so as the 2nd fav in that market, Masaccio, is not even running in the race.

                              I appreciate some will view these as 'account closure' bets but I'm already restricted so screw SkyBet.
                              You put it in multiples too..

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                              • Originally posted by Birds Nest View Post

                                You put it in multiples too..
                                Sure can

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