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The ULTIMA Handicap Steeplechase

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  • Cloudy Glen looks a very nice trends horse for this, ran in Hennessy, before that placed over 3m3f at Cheltenham first time out. Then ran behind Stumptown last time at Cheltenham. Is 8lb below peak rating, has a bit of class, has festival form finishing 2nd in Kim Muir behind Mount Ida. 33/1

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    • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
      If giovinco can jump well enough to stay in contention he will take some beating I reckon

      They've campaigned him so badly hes ended up 8-10lb well in
      Like a plot disguised as an unplot!!

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      • ….Amirite;

        ’We’d love to run him, but we’re on weather watch for him as he really enjoys nicer ground. We’ll confirm him for both the Ultima and the Kim Muir and make a decision closer to the time. If the ground doesn’t come right, we’ll wait for Aintree with him.

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        • Meetingofthewaters bought by JP from Paul Bryne, shocker I know.

          I imagine people knew beforehand and talked him up

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          • Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post
            Meetingofthewaters bought by JP from Paul Bryne, shocker I know.

            I imagine people knew beforehand and talked him up
            A chance in the jockey (potentially for the worse) Mark instead of Paul (unless Patrick still rides?!)

            More likely to go for the NH Chase now perhaps?

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            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

              A chance in the jockey (potentially for the worse) Mark instead of Paul (unless Patrick still rides?!)

              More likely to go for the NH Chase now perhaps?
              JP has one for that ….reckon they fancy Ultima….he loves a Hcap & it’s better GN prep
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              • Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post
                Meetingofthewaters bought by JP from Paul Bryne, shocker I know.

                I imagine people knew beforehand and talked him up
                Pretty sure Ruby said the Mullins camp only talked him up so much so someone would buy him. At the barbers town preview.

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                • Re the Grand National point, he still needs a run to qualify doesn’t he? Does he have to complete, or just start one more chase over the distance?

                  Feels like the GN is the main aim and he might be ridden with April in mind? And JP likes splitting up his horses so I can’t see him going NHC now.

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                  • How much cash has Byrne made from JP in recent years?

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                    • Originally posted by Mighty View Post
                      Re the Grand National point, he still needs a run to qualify doesn’t he? Does he have to complete, or just start one more chase over the distance?

                      Feels like the GN is the main aim and he might be ridden with April in mind? And JP likes splitting up his horses so I can’t see him going NHC now.
                      Don't think he has to complete, but I believe the assessors could still potentially poo poo him.
                      I thought the same with Corach Rambler last year. That he'd be ridden in mind.

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                      • Originally posted by Madmoose View Post
                        How much cash has Byrne made from JP in recent years?
                        He's either the richest sucker in the world or shrewd.
                        Most likely a bit of both.

                        I reckon Frank and Byrne are grifting him and he's a shell of a man. - Just smiles and has wind.

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                        • Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post

                          JP has one for that ….reckon they fancy Ultima….he loves a Hcap & it’s better GN prep
                          Yeah true.

                          Never a fan of a change of silks contracting a price which is not a completely fair assessment of what happened here, but also is factually what happened

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                          • Originally posted by Madmoose View Post
                            How much cash has Byrne made from JP in recent years?
                            Cough money laundering cough

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                            • Eldorado Allen (FR) Jungle Boogie (IRE)
                              Run Wild Fred (IRE)
                              Stumptown (IRE)
                              Monbeg Genius (IRE)
                              The Goffer (IRE)
                              Meetingofthewaters (IRE)
                              Embittered (IRE)
                              Giovinco (IRE)
                              Chambard (FR)
                              Minella Crooner (IRE)
                              Glengouly (FR)
                              Kitty's Light
                              Gevrey (FR)
                              Eklat de Rire (FR)
                              Victtorino (FR)
                              Busselton (FR)
                              Trelawne
                              Highland Hunter (IRE)
                              Annual Invictus (IRE)
                              Twig
                              Chianti Classico (IRE)
                              Fakir d'Alene (FR)
                              Shakem Up'arry (IRE)
                              Amirite (IRE)
                              Cloudy Glen (IRE)
                              Macs Charm (IRE)
                              Found On (IRE)
                              Lord du Mesnil (FR)
                              Excello (FR)
                              Famous Bridge (IRE)
                              City Chief (IRE)
                              Chavez (IRE)
                              Theatre Man (IRE)
                              Apple Away (IRE)
                              Weveallbeencaught (IRE)
                              Git Maker (FR)
                              Grozni (FR)
                              Java Point (IRE)
                              Back On The Lash
                              Dom of Mary (FR)
                              Risk And Roll (FR)
                              Jamaico (FR)

                              WIll Apple Away sneak in? There's a fair few above her I'd expect not to run.

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                              • Seen it mentioned a few times around here and on previews about the Irish not winning this race often.

                                Few weeks ago I mentioned that the early signs were that the Irish looked strong this year and the UK runners look weak, this is not uncommon in most races now of course including the Grand National which is effectively the Irish National "held at Aintree".

                                To put the Ultima stat in perspective though.
                                In both of Un Temp pour Touts wins, the Irish only had 3 runners, and in the year after in 2018 when Coo Star Sivola won, they had jack shit - zero.
                                Only looked at those three years, but it's fairly clear the Irish dominance and volume of runners has been on the up in recent seasons.

                                Looking at this years 6 day stage I'd guess they'll have at least 10, maybe half the field.

                                And a UK trained horse will probably still win

                                Hopefully not.
                                My team is now down to just the 9

                                The Goffer 2ptew5 27-1 WH & 2pt 13-1 WH
                                Busselton 1ptew5 40-1 Sky
                                Theatre Man 2pt 14-1 Sky
                                Monbeg Genius 1pt 20-1 PP
                                Meetingofthewaters 3pt 10-1 PP
                                Apple Away 1ptew5 25-1 B365
                                Amirite 1ptew5 25-1 B365
                                Giovinco 2pt 22-1 WH
                                Chianti Classico 1pt 14-1 B365 1pt 20-1 WH

                                Hoping Theatre Man goes for the Plate and Jonjo don't bother running Monbeg but added at 20's yesterday as it would sicken me if it won.
                                I expect Lucinda to only run the one as well.
                                And one or two may opt out for other targets due to the ground.

                                So hopefully I end up with around 5/6 runners which is fine, and then I may add one on the day.
                                I have had a small stakes bet at triple figures on Dom of Mary but he likely won't get in. Think Bridgwater would prefer this race over the Kim Muir though. Or Midlands National.
                                And I have Stumptown in some multiples. Don't think he's well in but is a danger.

                                Added Busselton yesterday and the 40-1 still around after Joseph mentioned he might run. He is good value based on a lot of his back form. IMO
                                Most of the others have been discussed/mentioned on here plenty enough.

                                Trelawne & Twig would be potential bum twitchers for me but are on the reserve list to be backed if my numbers thin out and they get declared.
                                Or might just risk it. We'll see.

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