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The ULTIMA Handicap Steeplechase

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  • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

    Look back at last seasons race wondering how they didn't win it with a horse rated 150, now rated 170
    No accounting for coming against a horse that went on to win the National on the bloody bridle

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    • Originally posted by That Horse View Post

      Has there not been a Scottish winner the last two years in Corach Rambler?
      Indeed (backed him both times ) - was just a cheeky wee dig from a Scotsman at Lobos's reference to looking at "the English"

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      • Originally posted by Lostinleith View Post

        Indeed (backed him both times ) - was just a cheeky wee dig from a Scotsman at Lobos's reference to looking at "the English"
        Love that horse, gave me my first ever win in the national last year

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        • Does anyone know of Eldorado Allen will take his place here?

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          • Originally posted by JamieSensible View Post
            Does anyone know of Eldorado Allen will take his place here?
            Hopefully. I've backed him on the basis he will, but it's pretty much all NRNB so little risk now anyway.

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            • Monbeg Genius set for National prep at Kelso - so would assume wouldn’t be in the Ultima

              Leading Aintree hope has had some niggling injuries.

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              • The Goffer....

                He ran very well in the Ultima Handicap Chase last season and we’re aiming him at it again this season. He hit the front a mile too soon and I thought he was a bit unlucky. He had a perfect preparation when winning a charity race at Punchestown last week.

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                • 147 for The Goffer!

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                  • ….i think Goffer ran off 149 last season.

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                    • Originally posted by Bayoffreedom View Post
                      147 for The Goffer!
                      Amazing, and as Eggs said, that's 2 lbs lower than last season.

                      Spectre with the goods!

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                      • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                        Amazing, and as Eggs said, that's 2 lbs lower than last season.

                        Spectre with the goods!
                        Yep, looking good. Just needs to beat the Irish hoodoo in the race now !

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                        • I've spent my morning working through the data looking at historical trends (hope my boss isn't lurking on here) and wanted to put my conclusions on record.

                          Trends measured:

                          Best chase RPR over 3m+ (9/10)
                          Won chase 3m+ (9/10)
                          Won on a galloping track (10/10)
                          Run on old course before, or won on the new course (10/10)
                          Chase OR between 139-151 (9/10)

                          Un Temps Pour Tout was the exception on his first win, however had won 3m+ over hurdles, when he also had his best overall RPR, which has also been considered in my analysis. The chase OR exception was his second win.

                          I appreciate data-led isn't foolproof but I love data and am determined to use it to assist my Cheltenham bets. And I'm sure the analysis can be pulled apart, I'm mainly interested this year in seeing how data-led results fare.

                          The shortlist from the above are:

                          Stumptown
                          Twig
                          Annual Invictus
                          Shan Blue
                          Cloudy Glen
                          Run Wild Fred
                          Lord Du Mesnil

                          I've eliminated the latter 4 due to their best RPR's being over 2 years ago, whereas the last 10/10 winners had their highest RPR in the current or previous seasons.

                          So my shortlist based solely on data are Stumptown, Twig and Annual Invictus, available at 8,14 and 16 respectively on 365 NRNB.

                          Just for interest of course

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                          • Published weights.


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                            • Originally posted by Frankely My Dear View Post

                              I've eliminated the latter 4 due to their best RPR's being over 2 years ago, whereas the last 10/10 winners had their highest RPR in the current or previous seasons.

                              So my shortlist based solely on data are Stumptown, Twig and Annual Invictus, available at 8,14 and 16 respectively on 365 NRNB.

                              Just for interest of course
                              Gavin Cromwell picked out Stumptown as his best bet of the Tuesday prior to weights release. He was also very keen on Percival Legallois in The Kim Muir.

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                              • Originally posted by Frankely My Dear View Post
                                I've spent my morning working through the data looking at historical trends (hope my boss isn't lurking on here) and wanted to put my conclusions on record.

                                Trends measured:

                                Best chase RPR over 3m+ (9/10)
                                Won chase 3m+ (9/10)
                                Won on a galloping track (10/10)
                                Run on old course before, or won on the new course (10/10)
                                Chase OR between 139-151 (9/10)

                                Un Temps Pour Tout was the exception on his first win, however had won 3m+ over hurdles, when he also had his best overall RPR, which has also been considered in my analysis. The chase OR exception was his second win.

                                I appreciate data-led isn't foolproof but I love data and am determined to use it to assist my Cheltenham bets. And I'm sure the analysis can be pulled apart, I'm mainly interested this year in seeing how data-led results fare.

                                The shortlist from the above are:

                                Stumptown
                                Twig
                                Annual Invictus
                                Shan Blue
                                Cloudy Glen
                                Run Wild Fred
                                Lord Du Mesnil

                                I've eliminated the latter 4 due to their best RPR's being over 2 years ago, whereas the last 10/10 winners had their highest RPR in the current or previous seasons.

                                So my shortlist based solely on data are Stumptown, Twig and Annual Invictus, available at 8,14 and 16 respectively on 365 NRNB.

                                Just for interest of course
                                Very good!

                                Just an update on the odds NRNB

                                10/1 Stumptown
                                18/1 Twig
                                20/1 Annual Invictus

                                25/1 Shan Blue
                                40/1 Cloudy Glen
                                33/1 Run WIld Fred
                                40/1 Lord Du Mesnil






                                I'd expect similar prices and BOG nearer the time on some of them, but a very good shortlist.

                                Obviously can see Stumptown going off single figures

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