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The ULTIMA Handicap Steeplechase

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  • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

    Certainty to get in.
    Love your confidence. Why so certain ? He's 40 odd in the list.

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    • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

      Love your confidence. Why so certain ? He's 40 odd in the list.
      Been through the list and read everything, so can whittle it down easily enough.
      There are at least 12 that have said they aren't running here. and plenty others that have stated or have other likely targets.

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      • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

        Been through the list and read everything, so can whittle it down easily enough.
        There are at least 12 that have said they aren't running here. and plenty others that have stated or have other likely targets.
        Cheers Q. Really fancy him and would have been very disappointed if he missed out. He looks really well treated and his profile is perfect for the race. He hits virtually every trend as well. Great news.

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        • Just saw the Tizzards we’re contemplating supplementing Oscar for the brown

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          • Yes I was chatting to Joe Tizzard at Kempton on Saturday, although when he mentioned this it sounded like his plan and not the owners. I told him he was mad and literally went through every Ultima contender to tell him why.

            I said 'you'll be stuffed and beaten senseless in the Browns, but at least you'll finish second to Nassalam in the Ultima!'
            Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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            • Originally posted by Spectre View Post
              Yes I was chatting to Joe Tizzard at Kempton on Saturday, although when he mentioned this it sounded like his plan and not the owners. I told him he was mad and literally went through every Ultima contender to tell him why.

              I said 'you'll be stuffed and beaten senseless in the Browns, but at least you'll finish second to Corach Rambler in the Ultima!'
              I've amended it for you

              In all seriousness, I think the doubts about Oscar Elite you had about the bleeding are valid for him. It's not been an isolated incident. I don't suppose you asked Joe about that?

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              • I did. He said he doesn't bleed!!!
                Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                • Originally posted by Spectre View Post
                  I did. He said he doesn't bleed!!!
                  Odd!

                  Cheltenham need to employ some new vets then

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                  • Twice he has to my knowledge. I'm not sure he knew what to make of me laughing.

                    That comment, and the comment about supplementing makes you realise the difference between the best trainers, and those that stumble through their season, and don't know their horses as well as they should. Although Joe fits the same mould as 90% of UK trainers out there.

                    You get the top boys, who are that for a reason, and then you get the likes of Christian Williams who knows he doesn't have the ammunition, so he very specifically targets better value races that tend to be weak. He knows exactly what mark he needs and makes sure he gets it.

                    In the case of the Tizzards, they've had some serious money spent on horses over the years, and whilst they've had success, in my opinion it's nowhere near what it should be. They just need to be smarter about what they're doing, rather than just ending up where they get.
                    Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                    • ….Nassalam boosted to 9-1 with 365.

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                      • Backed Stumstown NRNB for this at 12/1 NRNB

                        Just in case he gets in off 135 and they want J J Burke to keep the ride?


                        Ruby mentioned it on Road To Cheltenham and worth a go
                        Last edited by Kevloaf; 3 March 2023, 08:24 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                          Backed Stumstown NRNB for this at 12/1 NRNB

                          Just in case he gets in off 135 and they want J J Burke to keep the ride?


                          Ruby mentioned it on Road To Cheltenham and worth a go
                          I did this on Monday, as no word of an amateur booking as yet and he;s 4-1 ?
                          Exchange strongly suggests KIm Muir though, so probably money back.

                          I heard O'Connor on Angel, which explains the money for it monday tuesday.
                          Expect Codd on one of elliotts like dunboyne perhaps.
                          Pat Mullins on mr incredible.
                          young lad been named for royal thief.

                          Not sure on Barry O'Neil though - he may be the one.

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                          • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                            I did this on Monday, as no word of an amateur booking as yet and he;s 4-1 ?
                            Exchange strongly suggests KIm Muir though, so probably money back.

                            I heard O'Connor on Angel, which explains the money for it monday tuesday.
                            Expect Codd on one of elliotts like dunboyne perhaps.
                            Pat Mullins on mr incredible.
                            young lad been named for royal thief.

                            Not sure on Barry O'Neil though - he may be the one.
                            I am sure it has been mentioned that Barry O'Neill rides Stumptown in the Kim Muir

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                            • Originally posted by Liammet View Post
                              I am sure it has been mentioned that Barry O'Neill rides Stumptown in the Kim Muir
                              Yep, confirmation here

                              Gavin Cromwell is finalising plans for his Cheltenham Festival team and is pleased with the progress being made by stablestar Flooring Porter following a setback earlier this year.


                              Money back kevin - another winner

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                              • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                                Yep, confirmation here

                                Gavin Cromwell is finalising plans for his Cheltenham Festival team and is pleased with the progress being made by stablestar Flooring Porter following a setback earlier this year.


                                Money back kevin - another winner
                                I was surprised, I heard somewhere that Barry O'Neil has never had a Cheltenham winner, that can't be right, surely?

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