The ULTIMA Handicap Steeplechase

[Quevega]

Mark blown you'd imagine

I don't think so myself.

[Exar Essay]

Bold Endeavour 145. Clearly didn’t run his race. Never responded when asked. Oscar Elite 137 going in.

I could see him getting something just short of 150 for this. Which is fine.

[Quevega]

Bold Endeavour 145. Clearly didn’t run his race. Never responded when asked. Oscar Elite 137 going in.

I could see him getting something just short of 150 for this. Which is fine.

He was 135.
I'd be surprised if he gets more than 7lb (10lb tops)
Be very harsh otherwise.
Ran off 138 last year, and jockey went too soon.

[Exar Essay]

He was 135.
I'd be surprised if he gets more than 7lb (10lb tops)
Be very harsh otherwise.
Ran off 138 last year, and jockey went too soon.

Ah I thought he was 137. Was thinking 10-12lbs myself given Bold Endeavours mark. 145-147 would be fine tho.

[Quevega]

Ah I thought he was 137. Was thinking 10-12lbs myself given Bold Endeavours mark. 145-147 would be fine tho.

I think rating so literally in a graded race would be very unfair, and not what the handicapper looks to do these days.
But you never know, we'll see on Tuesday.
Knowing the Tizzards they'll probably think he's grade 1 level now anyway and save him for aintree or something daft

[Outlaw]

Trouble is they rate these Graded novice races on historical winners(par ratings etc) too often rather than what they've done on the day and that hasn't taken too much winning I fear. He's had a few issues with bleeding(twice) and to think he's improved a chunk on his 9th chase start I'm not so sure, I know he's got the course form and comes into this years off the back of a win now but if he's not double digits come decs then the fez markets will be as bad as the antepost markets.

[Quevega]

https://www.attheraces.com/news/2023/February/18/elite-performance-from-oscar-books-ultima-ticket

Tizzards choosing right
Handicapper just needs to be reasonable now and he's a player.

[doctorwu]

Oscar just blown his mark, typical Tizzard. He'll get an entry in a grade1 now.

[doctorwu]

Oscar just blown his mark, typical Tizzard. He'll get an entry in a grade1 now.

Fingers crossed Tizzard goes Ultima.

[Birds Nest]

Oscar just blown his mark, typical Tizzard. He'll get an entry in a grade1 now.

It really looked for awhile like Harry really didnt want to win that race today , the other 2 folding on him almost seemed to force his hand.

[doctorwu]

Enqarde running tomorrow.

[Always a Claimer]

It really looked for awhile like Harry really didnt want to win that race today , the other 2 folding on him almost seemed to force his hand.

It looked like a Shire horse coming up on the outside of a Shetland. He is an absolute unit. Seriously impressive and I imagine hard to get/keep fit. Now he is, a 10lbs rise wouldn’t worry me and he represents good ew value - but undoubtedly there will be something lurking that hasn’t shown their hand yet who is also 10lb well in.

[doctorwu]

my only worry for Oscar Elite is he's likely to be carrying 7lb more than last year and wasn't good enough then. I think he's shown his hand as is typical with Tizzards. That said, I do expect him to run a good race but a couple of others look well in compared to him.

[Always a Claimer]

Of all the entries and likely runners, what is the feel
for the likely mark of the top weight? Trying to work out the likely weight to be carried by Lord Accord off 137. Presumably a feather weight. Equally, presumably there is a chance that he doesn’t make the cut?

[RoadToCheltenham]

Of all the entries and likely runners, what is the feel
for the likely mark of the top weight? Trying to work out the likely weight to be carried by Lord Accord off 137. Presumably a feather weight. Equally, presumably there is a chance that he doesn’t make the cut?

Recent renewals of the Ultima are as follows:

ULTIMA	BOTTOM	TOP
2017	134	155
2018	140	155
2019	137	155
2020	134	159
2021	132	158
2022	138	164