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The ULTIMA Handicap Steeplechase

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  • Originally posted by Pigeon Island View Post
    365 just put up the handicaps again after taking them down and Galahad Quest and Remastered are both still in their markets………. Pretty disgusting really if they are taking bets on horses who can’t possibly win!
    Still up there on Hills NRMB as well, but I don't know if they ever took the prices down in fairness!

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    • Just echoing others, but agree, no need for apologies Spectre . GQ had been on my radar for this for a long while too and was majorly surprised he wasn't entered.

      Chin up. We'll go again.

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      • Originally posted by Smiley View Post
        Sorry guys if posted elsewhere, but does anyone have link for handicap entries!?
        The big boys arent sharing, smiley!

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        • Originally posted by qzy View Post

          Still up there on Hills NRMB as well, but I don't know if they ever took the prices down in fairness!
          Gone from Hills now

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          • Agreed on everyone else's sentiments Spectre . Whilst I am sure you will know this, I wanted to reassure you, that I personally remember how you made sure to explain about both the NRNB and the antepost prices before releasing the tip itself and left it up to people to decide which to back.

            For those who went NRNB, no harm done anyway, and for those who wanted to poach the bigger price, I can't for one second imagine think anyone would begrudge you even a little. We all know the game. That's why we all swarm around this forum like a hive of bees, it's all in the hunt for a quality selection that comes in at a great price, and we all know the risks that hover above antepost like a dark cloud.

            It was a fantastic thing to be part of regardless. Cheers again.

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            • Yeah nothing to apologise for Spectre we all know the risks.

              Just as an aside, do you think this increases his chances on Saturday, if they are seeing saturday as his 'gold cup'? Or is it as we were but with the focus being the plate?

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              • Originally posted by SharpHat View Post
                Yeah nothing to apologise for Spectre we all know the risks.

                Just as an aside, do you think this increases his chances on Saturday, if they are seeing saturday as his 'gold cup'? Or is it as we were but with the focus being the plate?
                I think his chance is very good on Saturday anyway, and he would have run on his merit regardless SH. As long as he's near the pace I'd have him as the most likely winner. I'd be surprised if he wasn't in the places at least.

                It's impossible to say he can't win the Plate, but given he has had numerous chances now and been beaten staying on over two and a half miles around HQ I think it's unlikely. He'll probably run another solid race, so a bet with the extra places is fair enough. It can be a bit of a specialists race, and he's become one of those.

                A run towards the head of affairs in the Ultima on the Old Course would have been perfect in my opinion. He's shaped every time as though the extra distance would bring out improvement. For me they made a poor decision to not enter him today. They had nothing to lose by making the entry and having the option. They're running over three miles at Kempton, so I genuinely can't get my head around it. A prominent run on the Old Course, with much softer fences than Kempton's is easier to get trip-wise than it is around a fast flat track like Kempton.
                Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                • Originally posted by SharpHat View Post
                  Yeah nothing to apologise for Spectre we all know the risks.

                  Just as an aside, do you think this increases his chances on Saturday, if they are seeing saturday as his 'gold cup'? Or is it as we were but with the focus being the plate?
                  It’s a nice pot Saturday. I suspect this has been the goal all along.
                  Once we saw this entry I always thought they would go for it, I was just hoping they would go Ultima as well.

                  Would still like to know the reasoning behind the plate rather than the Ultima.

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                  • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

                    It’s a nice pot Saturday. I suspect this has been the goal all along.
                    Once we saw this entry I always thought they would go for it, I was just hoping they would go Ultima as well.

                    Would still like to know the reasoning behind the plate rather than the Ultima.
                    In case he doesn’t stay Saturday would be my guess.

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                    • Just been sent the Ultima entries. Think this is all of them:

                      Does He Know
                      Frontal Assault
                      Imperial Alcazar
                      Threeunderthrufive
                      Death Duty
                      Phoenix Way
                      Aye Right
                      Fury Road
                      Fakir dAlene
                      Floueur
                      Lord Accord
                      The Shunter
                      Grand Paradis
                      Ben Dundee
                      Corach Rambler
                      Oscar Elite
                      Cat Tiger
                      Fortescue
                      School Boy Hours
                      Coko Beach
                      Kiltealy Briggs
                      Eclair Surf
                      Diol Ker
                      Fusil Raffles
                      Noble Yeats
                      Braeside
                      Full Back
                      Fantastikas
                      Gericault Roque
                      The Big Breakaway
                      Aint That A Shame
                      Farinet
                      Foxy Jacks
                      Frodon
                      Lostintranslation
                      Our Power
                      Quick Wave
                      Rapper
                      Tea Clipper
                      Storm Control
                      Enqarde
                      Cloudy Glen
                      The Wolf
                      Commodore
                      Cavalry Master
                      Chambard
                      Doctor Duffy
                      Doyen Breed
                      Five Star Getaway
                      Glen Forsa
                      Le Milos
                      Mister Fogpatches
                      Somptueux
                      The Jam Man
                      Larry
                      Lord Du Mesnil
                      Empire Steel
                      Vintage Clouds
                      Come On Teddy
                      Discordantly
                      Spiritofthegames
                      Secret Reprieve
                      Grumpy Charley
                      Lalor
                      Ex Patriot
                      Mindsmadeup
                      One More Fleurie
                      Pontresina
                      Powerstown Park
                      Run To Milan
                      Undersupervision
                      Zanza
                      Beakstown
                      Hold That Taught
                      Mint Condition
                      Alnadam
                      Kauto Riko
                      Fidux
                      Brave Eagle
                      Belargus
                      The Mighty Don
                      Uisce Beatha

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                      • I am so happy to see Spiritofthegames entered for this!

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                        • Originally posted by Spectre View Post
                          I don't know what to say guys. Gutted doesn't even come close to how I'm feeling right now. I'm completely numb.

                          The decision not to enter him is just bizarre. In all my years of antepost punting it's one of the strangest decisions I've seen.

                          All I can hope is that you accept my sincerest apologies.
                          Don’t dare apologise. You put forward a compelling case and if people chose to follow you in then they knew the risks.

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                          • That's an encouraging run before going to defend his crown from Vintage, 25s still up and whilst as many have mentioned he might not be one to shorten much that's at this moment in time it looks more than fair still imo.

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                            • Originally posted by KevMc View Post

                              In case he doesn’t stay Saturday would be my guess.
                              That would make sense to a point. However what if he does stay and goes close or wins? Think that’s why it seems a strange decision, surely just keep both entries and re asses after Saturday

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                              • I have been refunded by Fred for Gericalt Roque...but its not a non runner ?....anyone else?

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