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The ULTIMA Handicap Steeplechase

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  • Originally posted by Quevega View Post
    Cloudy Glen was my main pick for this big time.
    But cannot be sure they'll run him here. The owners may just let Vintage run on his own.
    I know Spectre mentioned his mark being too high, but it's not.
    He is now only rated 146.

    He's only 6lb higher for those 2 excellent pieces of staying chase form, as both were off 140.
    He's just inconsistent, and may not run.
    But having ran on Saturday then it may fit into the plan if the National is a definite aim, which you'd imagine it is.
    Me too. Nearly 40/1 for a Kim Muir second and Ladbrokes Trophy winner off a mark of 146 is a straight forward case, even for a lunatic.
    I think he'll go. Would be a lovely story winning the race again after the passing of Trevor Hemmings and they sent 2 horses here in 2020 (Vintage Clouds and Burbank) and 2 in 2019 (Vintage Clouds and Lake View Lad).

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    • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

      Spectre wants him to run again and in a 3mile race to prove he truly stays so it fits in well doesn't it ?
      I guess that depends how much they want to win the race .
      With that sort of prize money one would think they would.
      Hes entered for a reason.
      Doubt it’s to find out if he stays.
      I would imagine they have a pretty good idea of that.
      A hard race 17 days out may not fit in well . That would be a concern imo.
      Don’t know about anyone else but I think I would prefer him not to run at Kempton.
      If he needs a run it would be good to find a suitable alternative a bit further from the festival for me.
      Like I said though, it depends on the reasoning behind Kempton.

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      • Originally posted by charlie View Post

        Me too. Nearly 40/1 for a Kim Muir second and Ladbrokes Trophy winner off a mark of 146 is a straight forward case, even for a lunatic.
        I think he'll go. Would be a lovely story winning the race again after the passing of Trevor Hemmings and they sent 2 horses here in 2020 (Vintage Clouds and Burbank) and 2 in 2019 (Vintage Clouds and Lake View Lad).
        Yeah I know, i hope they do run here.
        You calling me a lunatic
        Don't reply as we'll get in trouble.

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        • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

          Yeah I know, i hope they do run here.
          You calling me a lunatic
          Don't reply as we'll get in trouble.
          Haha when I wrote it I thought do I bracket (horse not you)

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          • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

            Yeah, just the 17 days thing would be a concern, but not insurmountable.
            And it's worth miles more.
            Worth noting that Nick Williams ran Coo Star at Exeter for his first try over 3m, just 18 days before he went on to win the Ultima, so he has previous for doing similiar!

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            • Originally posted by Native River View Post

              Worth noting that Nick Williams ran Coo Star at Exeter for his first try over 3m, just 18 days before he went on to win the Ultima, so he has previous for doing similiar!
              Yeah, I know.
              I backed him at the weekend as I spotted the similarity.
              That Kempton race prize money thing would be a worry though.
              I've assumed anyway that Spectre has a decent nod on the target being the ultima. But no guarantees in this game.
              It's a selection with more risks than I'd like if I was in the hot seat that's for sure.
              But can see the reasoning behind it.

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              • Originally posted by Native River View Post

                Worth noting that Nick Williams ran Coo Star at Exeter for his first try over 3m, just 18 days before he went on to win the Ultima, so he has previous for doing similiar!
                Yes that’s a good sign that he’s done it before.
                I would say though probably a fair difference between that Exeter race and this Kempton one.

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                • Those who missed the price on Galahad Quest, he is still 25/1 with Ladbrokes (ante post only) which can be boosted to 28/1.

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                  • ….if the suggestion is Galahad Quest will be trying to win the Kempton race, he’s 20-1 in a few places for it.

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                    • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                      Those who missed the price on Galahad Quest, he is still 25/1 with Ladbrokes (ante post only) which can be boosted to 28/1.
                      Can you back ante post in the shops or just online?

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                      • Originally posted by SharpHat View Post

                        Can you back ante post in the shops or just online?
                        Should be able to back in the shop too.

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                        • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                          Should be able to back in the shop too.
                          You’ll struggle with Ladbrokes but Coral are fine (odd I know)

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                          • Originally posted by SharpHat View Post

                            Can you back ante post in the shops or just online?
                            I just backed it in a Ladbrokes shop ( Dublin )
                            Last edited by Liammet; 2 February 2022, 03:17 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by TiggerRoll View Post

                              You’ll struggle with Ladbrokes but Coral are fine (odd I know)
                              Depends on the staff in Ladbrokes, IMO.

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                              • Originally posted by Eggs View Post
                                ….if the suggestion is Galahad Quest will be trying to win the Kempton race, he’s 20-1 in a few places for it.
                                If he runs in it it would make absolutely no sense not to be trying for his life as it’s worth a lot more to the winner than the Ultima. Huge difference to the Exeter race for CSS imo where he was able to jog home from 2 out. Best scenario for all is he doesn’t pitch up at Kempton imo as he has been on the go since October (albeit again like CSS) so would be worried a hard race 17 days prior would take the edge off. If I knew kempton was the plan I’d definitely be investing as cover despite an uninspiring performance on his only previous visit.

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