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The ULTIMA Handicap Steeplechase

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  • Originally posted by Studfarm254 View Post

    As predicted kauto riko left on the same mark at 139 despite running to a 152 RPR
    Would prefer him in the Kim Muir than the Ultima, personally. Just finding a jockey for him for that race.

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    • Quite sweet on Remastered for this but he seems to be entered for every hcap at the Festival but think this race will suit the best??
      Sure he has a big pot in him
      Backed at 33s last week but that was before nrnb, wish I waited a little but hey ho

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      • Remastered isn't entered for any handicap race at the festival at this stage.

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        • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post

          Looks like we will see him this weekend.

          Either Musselburgh over 2m4 or Wetherby over 3m.

          I'd be inching toward the Musselburgh race as Pay The Piper and Friend or Foe should have too much pace for him and as a class 2, even a win may not see his mark rise too much.

          Wetherby has Ahoy Senor, Does He Know and others rated higher in it so finishing too close to them could spoil the mark.
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          Heskin jocked up for Musselburgh I see, looking like this is where he goes at the weekend at the moment

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          • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post

            They’ve said CH has ran to 176 and gone from there. Me thinks the RP assessor has a GC docket on him
            The 167 for Chantry House is laughable. 10 pounds higher than Santini for a 2 length beating giving 4 pounds. You'd think he coasted home. RP comments 'finished tired'.

            The Kauto Riko rating makes no sense either. Santini given 157,beats KR by 9 lengths yet KR given a rating of 152. Both carried the same weight. KRs RPR should be 148/149 through the 2nd and 3rd.

            They've uplifted a number of British winners RPRs this year more than normal above the base form figures. At the festival, they are going to end up with a number of British horses best on RPRs with the end result an Irish win.

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            • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post

              McNeil confirms still the plan and will get another run beforehand.

              28s Bet365 NRNB and BOG is better than I thought.

              Annsam was also 28s a couple of days ago and cut to 25s
              I like your Thinking Denman.Sacre , joined you with Kitealy Brigg's @28-1 . n.r.n.b. .

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              • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post

                The 167 for Chantry House is laughable. 10 pounds higher than Santini for a 2 length beating giving 4 pounds. You'd think he coasted home. RP comments 'finished tired'.

                The Kauto Riko rating makes no sense either. Santini given 157,beats KR by 9 lengths yet KR given a rating of 152. Both carried the same weight. KRs RPR should be 148/149 through the 2nd and 3rd.

                They've uplifted a number of British winners RPRs this year more than normal above the base form figures. At the festival, they are going to end up with a number of British horses best on RPRs with the end result an Irish win.

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                Yeah a very odd assessment of the race by the assessor, especially given the general consensus was it was a poor renewal and the winner certainly didn't appear to run a career best. Yeah they certainly have stuck to their word and have used a different approach to literal beatings this season I'll give them that .

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                • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                  Remastered isn't entered for any handicap race at the festival at this stage.
                  Sorry really meant features in betting for practically every hcap race. Just unsure which one they will target?

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                  • Originally posted by RoadToCheltenham View Post

                    Not to worry - he ran Coo Star Sivola in this race (4th behind Frodon) and then went and won the Ultima at the Fez.
                    i backed him ..iirc it was based on his runs in graded novice chases / could be wrong . So not the exact profile regarding how his mark was protected // like i said from memory so could be wrong

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                    • I know some like Cloth Cap for this. Jonjo says will go to either Doncaster or Kelso before the national. Article on attheraces

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                      • Thanks Rooster. Saved me a wasted bet.

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                        • Originally posted by Rooster Booster View Post
                          I know some like Cloth Cap for this. Jonjo says will go to either Doncaster or Kelso before the national. Article on attheraces
                          A day too late for me! But at least I know I’ll definitely have some returns in March now!

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                          • Originally posted by Stormez View Post

                            A day too late for me! But at least I know I’ll definitely have some returns in March now!
                            Well fingers crossed you get a hell of a lot more than non runners back

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                            • Spectre’s Naiad horse (which I’ve now backed) prompted me to look at this race and I know he isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but Santini could be absolutely chucked in for this. His rating has plummeted 18lb in just 6 runs since his 2nd in the gold cup 2 years ago!!!
                              His run on Saturday (since dropped another 1lb) shows he retains a decent amount of ability and was a massive improvement on his 1st run this year for Polly Gundry his new trainer, where he was behind commodore off top weight. He actually wasn’t far behind at the bottom of the hill only to completely empty and hardly got over the last fence so clearly wasn’t fit!
                              Now I suppose his whole season might be geared towards the National but taking in a Cheltenham handicap on the way like sunnyhillboy might not be a bad thing! I can’t even see him priced up so will wait for the entries but even though he is clearly not a 171 horse anymore, I think 153 could leave him in with a shout of scooping a decent pot.

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                              • Santini is GC bound as per Polly today

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