The Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

[Eggs]

1. Willy de Houelle (FR) 11 12 140
2. Naturally Nimble (GER) 11 10 138
3. Wendrock (FR) 11 8 136
4. Murcia (FR) 11 8 136
5. Lady Vega Allen (FR) 11 8 136
6. Sony Bill (FR) 11 8 136
7. Stencil 11 7 135
8. Total Look (FR) 11 4 132
9. Puturhandstogether (IRE) 11 2 130
10. Mambonumberfive (FR) 11 0 128
11. Slurricane (IRE) 10 12 126
12. Robbies Rock 10 12 126
13. Quantock Hills (FR) 10 12 126
14. Teriferma 10 12 126
15. Opec 10 11 125
16. Holy See (IRE) 10 11 125
17. Turn And Finish (IRE) 10 11 125
18. Liam Swagger 10 10 124
19. Solar Drive (IRE) 10 10 124
20. Viyanni (IRE) 10 10 124
21. Luker’s Tipple (IRE) 10 9 123
22. Kool One (SPA) 10 9 123
23. Mister Cessna (FR) 10 9 123
24. Bust A Move (FR) 10 9 123
25. Beyond Your Dreams (IRE) 10 9 123
26. Moutarde (IRE) 10 8 122
27. Static (FR) 10 8 122
28. Hot Fuss (IRE) 10 8 122
29. Lavender Hill Mob 10 7 121
30. Out For A Stroll (IRE) 10 7 121
31. Ephesus (IRE) 10 7 121
32. Marche d’Aligre (FR) 10 7 121
33. Action Plan (IRE) 10 7 121
34. Torrent 10 7 121
35. Belfrina (IRE) 10 5 119
36. Last Kingdom (FR) 10 5 119
37. Butter Fingers (IRE) 10 4 118
38. Drusilla 10 3 117
39. Galactic Charm 10 3 117
40. Chortal 10 2 116
41. Lakota Blue (FR) 10 1 115
42. Space Warrior (IRE) 10 1 115
43. Continuance 9 13 113
44. Kaptain Bay (IRE) 9 13 113
45. Star of Guiting (IRE) 9 12 112
46. Ocean Conquest 9 11 111
47. Hosaamm 9 10 110

[Quevega]

Hot Fuss.
Beyond Your Dreams
Out for a Stroll

All look well treated in here.

[ComplyOrDie]

Hot Fuss.
Beyond Your Dreams
Out for a Stroll

All look well treated in here.

Total Look is pretty much there or thereabouts with the two Irish ones above.

Obviously got to take the form literally though.

[Quevega]

Total Look is pretty much there or thereabouts with the two Irish ones above.

Obviously got to take the form literally though.

Definitely the big issue for sure, as a lot of this form is sketchy.
Although it's all we have to go on really.
Other than that we are guessing who has cheated the best.

But the Wendrock 3rd behind beyond your dreams and total look, makes those higher rated Irish horses like murcia and Wendrock and those above them - look shafted. IMO.

Who's the best at cheating ? , Willie, Gordon, Gavin or Joseph.
I'd put Willie fourth in that list.

[ComplyOrDie]

Who's the best at cheating ? , Willie, Gordon, Gavin or Joseph.
I'd put Willie fourth in that list.

You may be right, but for my sake, lets hope you're wrong

[Hurricane fly]

Holy See is either terribly weighted or Murcia and Ephesus are well treated,

[Quevega]

Holy See is either terribly weighted or Murcia and Ephesus are well treated,

Ephesus definitely comes out well in that little threesome.

[Istabraq]

Currently drowning my Wendrock sorrows in Madri, though I did manage to get a pal to cashout some of my single stake after the handicapper effectively ended hopes.
He says the patents are also available
for cashout, will have a think on that.
back to the drawing board for me this race….

[darlojim]

People saying out for a stroll looks well treated, and fair enough as she was 33s earlier, so at tha price yes she was definitely value compared to Total look on that form, but that was a very eye catching run by Cromwells and could have definitely won that race if asked...

[Quevega]

People saying out for a stroll looks well treated, and fair enough as she was 33s earlier, so at tha price yes she was definitely value compared to Total look on that form, but that was a very eye catching run by Cromwells and could have definitely won that race if asked...

I've not backed her, myself.
Total Look, Beyond your dreams, Wendrock and Hot Fuss are my current bets.

But I'm not happy with Wendrock or Total Looks marks.
Especially the weight swing the UK horses have got with Total Look, and the solid support he got on the day.

But it's a fucking lottery most years so we'll see how it pans out.

[Runragged]

Do we think a mark of 117 will get into the race? Really like Drusilla as an each way bet in the race but is number 38 so needs 16 to drop out... Not sure we will get that many.

[ComplyOrDie]

Do we think a mark of 117 will get into the race? Really like Drusilla as an each way bet in the race but is number 38 so needs 16 to drop out... Not sure we will get that many.

Wouldn't have got into the last 12 renewals. 119 the lowest for that period.

I don't think many will defect, despite the ratings, think a fair few in the low 120's may be disappointed, tbh.

[Runragged]

Wouldn't have got into the last 12 renewals. 119 the lowest for that period.

What I fear. Expect several will avoid what looks a good but competitive Triumph this year also. Didn't realise she is as big at 66/1 so may as well take it with NRMB but with little hope of getting a run for my money.

[Runragged]

He won't get in either, but the fact that Hosaamm who refused to race last time on what was his 3rd 'start' but is eligible for this race is a bit farcical!

[Fouroverthrutwo]

Do we think a mark of 117 will get into the race? Really like Drusilla as an each way bet in the race but is number 38 so needs 16 to drop out... Not sure we will get that many.

I reckon cut off will be 120/121 meaning Hot Fuss sneaks in at the bottom of the weights and creates another outlier to the 125 and upwards winners stat .
Disclaimer: I cannot see into the future and it is just my opinion of course