The BOODLES Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

[Can't Catch Me]

Anybody seen anything from the Moore camp regarding Bo Zenith's target lately?

[Madmoose]

Anybody seen anything from the Moore camp regarding Bo Zenith's target lately?

Josh Moore, assistant to Gary Moore, trainer of Perseus Way and Bo Zenith
I thought Perseus Way ran a blinder in the Adonis on Saturday and he's come out of the race very well. All being well he'll run in the Boodles, which looks the right race for him. Bo Zenith is in the Boodles and the Triumph but I'm not sure he'll run in either and may go to Aintree instead.

[Can't Catch Me]

Josh Moore, assistant to Gary Moore, trainer of Perseus Way and Bo Zenith
I thought Perseus Way ran a blinder in the Adonis on Saturday and he's come out of the race very well. All being well he'll run in the Boodles, which looks the right race for him. Bo Zenith is in the Boodles and the Triumph but I'm not sure he'll run in either and may go to Aintree instead.

Cheers for that Madmoose. Completely missed that

[Lobos]

Is the nut job going to turn up ? Imagine the scenes if he settled and ran like he did at Newbury!

[Spectre]

Spectre Were you pleased with Jolly Nellerie’s mark? Seemed fair enough to me.

Yes very EE. I think he's 10lb better than that. Although he has an absence to overcome, and the fact there could be others who have very good marks. I've had a modest each way play nrnb.

[Always a Claimer]

I did a trends review on this race today, sorry if this is stating nothing new, but (based on assumption that Mctigue goes and therefore carries top weight) I think that 22 of the current list hit every 10/10 race trend that Eggs kindly shared. When adding in the 9/10 trend (finished top 2 in one of last 2 runs) this drops to 20. It is then where weight carried makes a big difference (not one stated here but 8/9 carried >=11 stone with the recent trend of higher quality horses diverting from Triumph). I also removed GB bred horses based on poor record. If Mctigue goes, then the weights mean only Tekao and Bo Zenith can be considered really strong trend picks that hit every single one. If Mctigue doesn’t go, the number of horses carrying 11 stone increases significantly and brings another 11 horses into the trends (Byker, Punta Del Este, Cougar, Morning Soldier, Jolly Nellerie, Afadil, Samuel Spade, Bad, Metamorpheus, Jipcot, Jackpot de Choisel)

At this stage, given the number of big priced winners in this race in recent years and given that I use trends as a pointer only, I am happy to consider those other 11. Albeit Jolly Nellerie misses the 8/10 trend of a run this season.

I think Byker has a decent chance of reversing form with Sir Allen and Morning Soldier at the weights (if it settles) but is found in the market. The form of Cougar’s win in November has not worked out with those in behind doing very little and then a walloping from Lossiemouth. Of the rest, I think Samuel Spade is a big ew play here @25/1 NRNB with Ladbrokes. A 14lb swing for a 3lb beating by Perseus Way who is single figures for this - also a decent trends match. I also like the other Ben Pauling runner, Bad. But I find it hard to assess the French form (any helpers?!) and is he likely to run both?

[gwaaan]

Somewhat of a shrood judge Rhys Williams has put up Zanndabad up for this in his betfair column. 365 still 25s the rest are blue

[ComplyOrDie]

Somewhat of a shrood judge Rhys Williams has put up Zanndabad up for this in his betfair column. 365 still 25s the rest are blue

Istabraq you'll like this

I did wonder why there was a sudden sea of blue for him.

[Eggs]

….Nusret boosted 8-1 365 (Sir Allen 9-1).

[Istabraq]

Istabraq you'll like this

I did wonder why there was a sudden sea of blue for him.

Not convinced he gets in but if he does he just looks like he's about 2 stone better than the bare form shows, last race he literally did everything he could to finish as far behind the winner as possible.
But you could cut and paste that comment for half the field in this...

[Benjy23]

Not convinced he gets in but if he does he just looks like he's about 2 stone better than the bare form shows, last race he literally did everything he could to finish as far behind the winner as possible.
But you could cut and paste that comment for half the field in this...

I'm not knocking any 25/1 picks like but is this actually the profile that you want for the race these days?

[Istabraq]

I'm not knocking any 25/1 picks like but is this actually the profile that you want for the race these days?

As a handicap I'm looking for horses who are better than their marks, and they've been cheating on this one all season.
I used the same strategy two years ago with Fergal's Elham Valley, I saw a head on replay of his Chepstow run behind Adagio and Nassalam, Paddy Brennan and Sean Bowen (on Hous Gris) were talking to each other on the run in and trying to finish behind the other one, so funny to watch.
Fast forward the Fred Winter two months later and Eltham Valley is 66/1, finished 3rd, I seem to remember someone clever in here found the winner (Jeff Kidder) at 80/1.
The principal remains, if I know horses have been running with the handreak on I'll back them...

[Benjy23]

As a handicap I'm looking for horses who are better than their marks, and they've been cheating on this one all season.
I used the same strategy two years ago with Fergal's Elham Valley, I saw a head on replay of his Chepstow run behind Adagio and Nassalam, Paddy Brennan and Sean Bowen (on Hous Gris) were talking to each other on the run in and trying to finish behind the other one, so funny to watch.
Fast forward the Fred Winter two months later and Eltham Valley is 66/1, finished 3rd, I seem to remember someone clever in here found the winner (Jeff Kidder) at 80/1.
The principal remains, if I know horses have been running with the handreak on I'll back them...

I don't disagree with the principal of course, finding a horse ahead of its mark in a handicap is obviously no bad thing. Think I'd just rather see a bit of winning (or at least competitive/battling) form. And this race seems to be leaning towards the more classy types recently.

Even the aforementioned Jeff Kidder won his maiden and then ran in a graded contest before coming here at 80/1! But he'd generally be a bit of exception these days imo...

[Istabraq]

I don't disagree with the principal of course, finding a horse ahead of its mark in a handicap is obviously no bad thing. Think I'd just rather see a bit of winning (or at least competitive/battling) form. And this race seems to be leaning towards the more classy types recently.

Even the aforementioned Jeff Kidder won his maiden and then ran in a graded contest before coming here at 80/1! But he'd generally be a bit of exception these days imo...

Camprond has been all the rage in the Coral Cup, he hasn't finished within 20l of the winner five times this season.
It's what handicaps have become...

[riccirich]

Camprond has been all the rage in the Coral Cup, he hasn't finished within 20l of the winner five times this season.
It's what handicaps have become...

I was very interested in zanndabad myself for this race but I don’t think everything has gone to plan with him to be honest. He was very strongly backed on his second run but his jumping fell apart including one really bad mistake. You could argue they weren’t trying at all last time out, but if they were happy enough to try and win on the horses second start as the betting indicated, then I don’t think they would have been too concerned with finishing a bit closer last time out if they could?, To try and ensure he got in by getting rated a bit higher. I still think he’s capable of running a big race if he improves his jumping, I just don’t think his poor displays have been 100% by design, but probably partially.