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The BOODLES Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

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  • Don’t know if it’s been mentioned on here but just heard that Ben Seigel has died?

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    • Who knows whats well in until you have seen whats in, it could be me playing Ivan lendl in a overcoat in the local park.

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      • So my ante posts for this were Pepper and Sessions - now I am onto the meaty stuff.
        Champion green my selection but a bit worried about josephs comments about not being an easy ride.

        However I have just backed Doctor Churchill at 45s with a boost. Noticed its come for some money today- was 33s everywhere at the start of the day and alot of 20s.

        Was it mentioned on the circuit anywhere (dont think bryan tweeted about it on the dublin preview tonight either) ?? Actually beat champion green - Rob james could ride him also.

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          • Rich Ricci ATR.




            Gaelic Warrior has yet to see the track since his move to Ireland but has been all the rage for the Boodles Juvenile Handicap Hurdle on the opening afternoon.

            “I’ve never seen him in the flesh or work or run, this whole plot is really down to Joe Chambers (racing manager) who had been following the French form after we bought him and saw what the horses around him did,” Ricci said.

            “Some were rated in the 150s and I think one might have been in the 160s.

            “We entered him on Trials weekend at Cheltenham to see what mark he would get, I was hoping he would keep his French mark of 139 and the English handicapper gave him 129, much to our delight.

            “He’s become a talking horse, but he’s not my first talking horse and probably won’t be my first talking to lose if he does lose.

            “Willie wouldn’t tell me what the horse was, but a week ago he said he worked well with a really, really good horse. He was very, very pleased with his work. He thought if he got him to Cheltenham in that shape he’d be hard to beat, so we’ll see.

            “I’m excited about it. We’ll give it a go, I can’t believe the price he is.”

            He seems rather chirpy about a horse he's never seen

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            • Crazy. Could have 30lb in hand based on above. What a plot if ..... sorry, when it pays off.

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              • Someone should ask the handicapper how he got that mark ?
                I've seen it mentioned several times recently that his French mark is 139. Only recently has this started to get mentioned, Scooby seemed to say they had handicapped him based on his French mark alone !!

                The only reason I didn't back him when he got his entry at the Cheltenham meeting early in the season, was because I looked at the form and thought he'd be lucky to get a rating below 140.
                So for that reason and the fact it was the boodles and antepost, I ruled out having a bet on him then.

                I was right, the handicapper is wrong and everyone who backed him then are lucky mugs.

                Be a fun watch though as he should cruise up like he's running loose.

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                • Clearly it was just a slip of the finger and he pressed 2 instead of 3 and was just too embarrassed to admit It. It will haunt him for years to come but he'll be getting plenty of birthday and Xmas presents from punters over those years.

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                  • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                    Clearly it was just a slip of the finger and he pressed 2 instead of 3 and was just too embarrassed to admit It. It will haunt him for years to come but he'll be getting plenty of birthday and Xmas presents from punters over those years.
                    As daft as it sounds - that could be true.

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                    • Irish punters will be familiar with this, but this race sounds like one of those days where you turn up to Clonmel, Thurles or even Navan at an innocuous midweek meet, to find that one is fancied, being talked about by everyone at the course, and sure enough does the business in what's supposed to be a competitive handicap, at sub 2-1 or thereabouts.

                      Wonder if bookies will try and take him on, or will the SP be something like 6/4. Mad stuff.

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                      • As has been mentioned before, it all depends on how many good things have won prior to GW running. He'll form part of 1000's of fav multiples on the day.

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                        • Originally posted by Irish Rugby View Post
                          Irish punters will be familiar with this, but this race sounds like one of those days where you turn up to Clonmel, Thurles or even Navan at an innocuous midweek meet, to find that one is fancied, being talked about by everyone at the course, and sure enough does the business in what's supposed to be a competitive handicap, at sub 2-1 or thereabouts.

                          Wonder if bookies will try and take him on, or will the SP be something like 6/4. Mad stuff.
                          Except everything is off for it’s life and at least 10 have 7 pound in hand. So yeah, nothing like a midweek Irish fixture.

                          it’s almost like people are forgetting last years 80/1 winner had two stone in hand. It happens folks. Galvin got beat with 2 stone in hand just the other year.

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                          • Originally posted by KevMc View Post

                            Except everything is off for it’s life and at least 10 have 7 pound in hand. So yeah, nothing like a midweek Irish fixture.

                            it’s almost like people are forgetting last years 80/1 winner had two stone in hand. It happens folks. Galvin got beat with 2 stone in hand just the other year.
                            Is there a difference in having 2 stone in hand or progressing to be rated 2 stone higher though? Think there is in Galvins case?

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                            • Originally posted by Stormez View Post

                              Is there a difference in having 2 stone in hand or progressing to be rated 2 stone higher though? Think there is in Galvins case?
                              It was one example that came to mind instantly (as I was all over him) but he was definitely at least a stone+ well in that day to get so close to Imperial Aura without taking into account how much he’s progressed.

                              Jeff Kidder last year just shows what can be lurking in any of these handicaps. Look at A Plus Tard, had basically 2 stone in hand when winning the Novice Handicap.

                              That’s why I think you can’t be backing this thing at shorter than 4/1 but different strokes etc.

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                              • Originally posted by KevMc View Post

                                It was one example that came to mind instantly (as I was all over him) but he was definitely at least a stone+ well in that day to get so close to Imperial Aura without taking into account how much he’s progressed.

                                Jeff Kidder last year just shows what can be lurking in any of these handicaps. Look at A Plus Tard, had basically 2 stone in hand when winning the Novice Handicap.

                                That’s why I think you can’t be backing this thing at shorter than 4/1 but different strokes etc.
                                At the time of the race galvin didnt have 2 stone in hand..galvin has improved since then with age, distance etc..but he wasnt running with that much up his sleeve at the time no chance

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