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The BOODLES Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

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  • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post

    Not sure about the owner but if PP wins today, he's going to be top weight in the Boodles. The British handicapper has IMO been quite leniant with the marks given to the juveniles this year in Britain and the WPM favourite looks well in based on French form. The Triumph may be an easier race to win compared to top weight in the Boodles this year.

    You also neeed to make hay while the sun shines with the juveniles as the majority of them struggle the following year.

    After Cheltenham, there's the G2 at Fairyhouse and the G1s at Aintree and Punchestown. I can't think of any other races a Triumph type horse would be aimed out. They are spaced out enough to take 2 of them in after Cheltenham so no need to skip Cheltenham IMO.
    Fair points, it just seems unlikely to me that the same owner would have 2 of the top 3 in a Triumph. See how today pans out I guess! Cheers for the input.

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    • Anyone else not feel PP looks like he'd prefer the old course. The new course looks made for Fil Dor big galloping sort, whereas PP looks a bit speedier?
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      • Originally posted by Brooksie View Post
        Anyone else not feel PP looks like he'd prefer the old course. The new course looks made for Fil Dor big galloping sort, whereas PP looks a bit speedier?
        Other way round for me if anything.

        PP had Vauban off it with his high cruising speed a fair way out on debut.

        I thought Fil Dor looked a proper nimble sort

        Who knows haha!

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        • Forever William was off the bridle nearly the whole way yet was leading turning in then and still managed to get third. Considering Alan King's horses aren't running great atm I thought that was a very good run and is of interest for this.

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          • Originally posted by Speedy17 View Post
            Forever William was off the bridle nearly the whole way yet was leading turning in then and still managed to get third. Considering Alan King's horses aren't running great atm I thought that was a very good run and is of interest for this.

            ….bits of blue on Oddschecker but 20-1 still available in a few places.

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            • so yeah boodles probably not happening for PP now although... what happens if Fil Dor smashes Vauban next week
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              • Originally posted by Brooksie View Post
                so yeah boodles probably not happening for PP now although... what happens if Fil Dor smashes Vauban next week
                Then one may go Supreme.
                Most likely both Triumph.

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                • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                  Then one may go Supreme.
                  Most likely both Triumph.
                  Yeah I think you might be right with both going Triumph. Interesting that Jack didn't come over for the ride today. I know Gordon had a few runners at FH but they weren't brilliant rides. Hoping one doesn't head to the Supreme, that would ruin my chances of Potter heading there.
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                  • Better from Champion Green that. Obviously need to find what mark he gets but a likely player in this imo

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                    • He's undoubtedly quirky but Champion Green looks to have plenty more in his locker and will be a real force in the Boodles.

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                      • I thought i read CG was out for the season on FJ's out for the season page?
                        Well its not there now so guess i just lost the plot.
                        Last edited by somer1; 30 January 2022, 02:31 PM.

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                        • ….Champion Green as low as 7-1 for this after that win, looks like PP go biggest at 12-1.

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                          • The horse that beat Champion Green at Christmas, Doctor Churchill, is declared to run tomorrow with a good claimer on. 5/4 fav at Punchestown.

                            Currently 25/1 for the Boodles with 365.

                            Rated 123 at the moment, so I reckon they'll be trying to win tomorrow as well.

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                            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                              The horse that beat Champion Green at Christmas, Doctor Churchill, is declared to run tomorrow with a good claimer on. 5/4 fav at Punchestown.

                              Currently 25/1 for the Boodles with 365.

                              Rated 123 at the moment, so I reckon they'll be trying to win tomorrow as well.
                              Giving 2 stone to the other horse of Elliotts who has a leniant mark of 94. Wouldn't surprise me if they both go clear of the rest and Doctor Churchill finishes 2nd so the rise isn't as high.

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                              • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                                The horse that beat Champion Green at Christmas, Doctor Churchill, is declared to run tomorrow with a good claimer on. 5/4 fav at Punchestown.

                                Currently 25/1 for the Boodles with 365.

                                Rated 123 at the moment, so I reckon they'll be trying to win tomorrow as well.
                                Was entered at Ascot earlier in the season alongside iberique de seuil. Neither was given a UK mark, but obvious he was hunting then. Think I might have to have a little dabble before tomorrow

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