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The BOODLES Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

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  • Ebasari declared at Naas on Saturday. Champion Green and The Tide Turns are not declared.

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    • Originally posted by On The Fringe View Post
      Ebasari declared at Naas on Saturday. Champion Green and The Tide Turns are not declared.
      The Tide Turns has got lot of support last few days for the fred winter.
      He still needs one more run though to qualify, would that be correct?
      Last four winners of boodles had a break of at least 30 days before coming here so he would want to be running soon enough for me.
      For instance, Jeff Kidder had is final run before winning this on the 26th of December, where as The Tide Turns will to have ran three times after the 17th of Jan to just qualify if I am correct. Looks a tough ask?

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      • Originally posted by OffTheBridle View Post

        The Tide Turns has got lot of support last few days for the fred winter.
        He still needs one more run though to qualify, would that be correct?
        Last four winners of boodles had a break of at least 30 days before coming here so he would want to be running soon enough for me.
        For instance, Jeff Kidder had is final run before winning this on the 26th of December, where as The Tide Turns will to have ran three times after the 17th of Jan to just qualify if I am correct. Looks a tough ask?
        That's correct OTB, The Tide Turns needs a 3rd run over hurdles to gain a handicap rating for the Boodles. I'd agree, given his 2nd run over hurdles at DRF was only last week, they are up against time to get that 3rd run in and a suitable gap between that 3rd run and the Boodles

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        • I'd not fancy The Tide Turns even if they did qualify him, just because it's so clearly not the plan, so I think he'd have been running on merit and therefore wouldn't have as much in hadn as some will in this, especially for the trainer.

          He'd still have a chance, because he may run to his form and that form might be of a very good level, but I just have to believe in this race in particular, something will be thrown in.

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          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
            I'd not fancy The Tide Turns even if they did qualify him, just because it's so clearly not the plan, so I think he'd have been running on merit and therefore wouldn't have as much in hadn as some will in this, especially for the trainer.

            He'd still have a chance, because he may run to his form and that form might be of a very good level, but I just have to believe in this race in particular, something will be thrown in.
            I would agree. I think he was an option for the Triumph, and still might be, but less likely after the Spring Juvenile, I'd imagine.

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            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

              He'd still have a chance, because he may run to his form and that form might be of a very good level, but I just have to believe in this race in particular, something will be thrown in.
              Must be some absolute warrior in amongst them somewhere??

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              • It’s not at all original but I actually think Gaelic Warrior 5/1 NRNB and 5 places is a lump job. There’s no chance whatsoever that there’s five horses better handicapped than him in the race in my opinion. And I can keep putting him in roll ups or whatever as I’ve been doing but I think I’m just going to have a proper lump each way. Could genuinely be a 11/4 shot on the day in a 26 runner juvenile handicap - which sounds insane. I haven’t lumped anything in a handicap in a couple of years now at Cheltenham since Simply The Betts (and plenty on here thought that at the time before and during the the week was lunacy) but GW is going to be the next one I think.

                Say he ran tomorrow, he’d win easily and go up a stone. In my head, he’s that well in off his mark.

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                • Good lad MOM. Love it when a horse hits you between the eyes and gets the juices flowing. Hope the lump comes off.

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                  • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                    Good lad MOM. Love it when a horse hits you between the eyes and gets the juices flowing. Hope the lump comes off.
                    Thanks pal.

                    Wish I’d have got on at the fancier prices but I did get a tiny bit down before he got this short. Usually you’d say a fav in the juvenile races are ones to take on but there’s no chance he’s bigger than 7/2 on the day and there’s no chance five will be better handicapped. So I may as well bite the bullet and get stuck in now at the 5s NRNB. We shall see..

                    Lot of my week is going to be dependant on the first two days I think. Honeysuckle is a big part of many early season multiples (double figure doubles with shishkin and Bob for example), the lump each way on GW, hopefully DD in the ballymore on the Wednesday, hopefully galloping des champs in the RSA straight after and then my best bet of the entire week, 20/1 tickets on Facile good thing for the bumper.

                    Those five races going wrong and I’ll almost certainly struggle to get out of the festival with the profit percentage ROI I aim for.

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                    • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                      Going to put forward Brazil for this race. 25/1 with Bet365, the now standout price, was available at 33's for a short while with Unibet, but they've since clipped him to 25's and now 20's.

                      If you haven't already, I'd suggest watching the replays of his two runs to date, more so his latest run at Leopardstown, behind a horse in the same colours, Icare Allen. If you think Champion Green is a plot job then this guy has to be in that bracket aswell, IMO. Luckily for him he's managed to go under the radar a little bit more, because he got hampered in both races he has run in, but he showed a fair turn of foot in his last run to make up lost ground, to only get beat 7 3/4 lengths.

                      Brazil is by Galileo, who likely needs no introduction, but just in case, Galileo has sired 3 festival winners, including 2008 Triumph Hurdle winner, Celestial Halo, so he can produce a fair juvenile. His dam, Dialafara, has produced some very good flat horses, including the high class St. Leger & Irish Derby winner, Capri. Brazil himself was given a flat rating of 85 before switching codes.
                      That'll do from Brazil. Get a nice rise for that, which should see him get in now.

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                      • Yea, see him right into 2F that. Not sure what the handicapper will think but couldn't have won that any easier could he.

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                        • I'd be half worried he ends up in the Triumph tbh

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                          • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                            That'll do from Brazil. Get a nice rise for that, which should see him get in now.
                            trainer just said he isn't certain to come over. Nice prizes in Ireland, fair point when taking traveling into account 33k for the boodles isn't brilliant. Could easily see Icare coming here instead.
                            Long bitcoin, long gold, long silver, long g/s opening day Cheltenham Festival

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                            • I know Ebasari was popular.

                              365 are 25/1 NRNB BOG now.

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                              • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                                I know Ebasari was popular.

                                365 are 25/1 NRNB BOG now.
                                can't be many positives to take from that run? Obviously the NRNB takes away any risk..

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