The BOODLES Fred Winter Juvenile Handicap Hurdle

[Scooby91]

Complete stab in the dark by an amateur if you ask me
Ten a penny these juveniles.
Ask Kotkijet as he's the expert.

No idea how GW got that mark, the handicapper must have just guessed.

They don't do themselves... one to blame the French handicapper for, as they take as given, and gave him +2 on top.

[Quevega]

They don't do themselves... one to blame the French handicapper for, as they take as given, and gave him +2 on top.

So you're saying the UK handicapper hasn't rated him and simply gone off the French handicap +2 ?

Makes no odds really as he looks really well in based on the subsequent form.
I ignored the gamble partly cos I thought he'd get higher and also because I'm leaving the race for antepost this season.

I'd have backed it in the triumph if it turned up first time .
So anyone on at the bigger prices has a good bet, for a handicap.

[JackieMoon33]

And if its hard this far out... then look back in 2023 ... from 14 months out... and see how far off I am with "JAMESTOWN"

That’s him blown. He’s been on my list for a while and was waiting until at least next summer to add him. I’ll copy what I wrote to you in DM seeing as you’ve let the cat out the bag.

I’ve had him tracked since Inneston, his older full brother won. That form then got boosted when Irish Point went and won the graded race. Irish Point now with Robcour but not sure of the trainer. Jamestown is a half brother to Delta Work too but I prefer the Doctor to sire early 3yos.

He was bought by the Browns and will no doubt end up with Gordon. Could stay in France like Fil Dor did though to gain experience there.

[Quevega]

If any of you lot know Andy Brown, can you ask him if Fancy Foundations is going to run in the plate.
and why not entered in Dublin - is he ok ?

[Rooster Booster]

If any of you lot know Andy Brown, can you ask him if Fancy Foundations is going to run in the plate.
and why not entered in Dublin - is he ok ?

I like him for the plate though i noticed a number of folks choosing him for the KM in the tipping comp... personally can’t see him staying 3m 2. I’m pretty sure I remember Gordon saying they were putting him away as he would be avoiding winter ground...hoping that’s the case

[punterorplonker]

3 Mares running today at donny! All 3 could shorten for this afterwards!

[Nathaniel99999]

I see there's been abit of money on Calvados which I tipped earlier this month, seems its gone from 33s to 20/1, I'm tempted to put abit more on at 33/1 on paddypower but the only worry is if it will be qualified to run in this as I think it needs one more run?

[The Tank]

How are people playing Pied Piper for this? If he wins today, where does he go? I have him ante post for this @ 20/1 and am debating cashing it in fear of 365 getting trigger happy and greying out the cashout if he won today. it woldnt 100% mean he went Triumph of course, but 365 been super cautious (if you want to call it that) recently on the cashouts.

Surely the owners dont send both PP and Fil Dor to the Triumph? Would they send Fil Dor to the Boodles? Surely not... We are led to believe Gordon was apparently prepared to send a real good one (or so we thoughtat the time) in Quilixios go to the Boodles to run off top weight, so maybe he'd do that with PP. Or Fil Dor!

Probably a bit late with this as 365 will probably suspend PP shortly...

[Lobos]

I think he'll get done today. Drifting like a skunk.

[Geegees]

Yeah the drift has to be a worry for any bets for today or the triumph

[DenmanSacre]

How are people playing Pied Piper for this? If he wins today, where does he go? I have him ante post for this @ 20/1 and am debating cashing it in fear of 365 getting trigger happy and greying out the cashout if he won today. it woldnt 100% mean he went Triumph of course, but 365 been super cautious (if you want to call it that) recently on the cashouts.

Surely the owners dont send both PP and Fil Dor to the Triumph? Would they send Fil Dor to the Boodles? Surely not... We are led to believe Gordon was apparently prepared to send a real good one (or so we thoughtat the time) in Quilixios go to the Boodles to run off top weight, so maybe he'd do that with PP. Or Fil Dor!

Probably a bit late with this as 365 will probably suspend PP shortly...

If he wins today, he's beat the Timeform highest rated juvenile hurdler in Iceo. If Iceo finishes second, I don't think the handicapper is going to give PP a mark that would be of use in the Boodles. Owner would be better off sending 2 to the Triumph if PP wins today as it would be both horses best chance at winning at Cheltenham.

[Kevloaf]

How are people playing Pied Piper for this? If he wins today, where does he go? I have him ante post for this @ 20/1 and am debating cashing it in fear of 365 getting trigger happy and greying out the cashout if he won today. it woldnt 100% mean he went Triumph of course, but 365 been super cautious (if you want to call it that) recently on the cashouts.

Surely the owners dont send both PP and Fil Dor to the Triumph? Would they send Fil Dor to the Boodles? Surely not... We are led to believe Gordon was apparently prepared to send a real good one (or so we thoughtat the time) in Quilixios go to the Boodles to run off top weight, so maybe he'd do that with PP. Or Fil Dor!

Probably a bit late with this as 365 will probably suspend PP shortly...

Iceo today and Pied Piper Boodles was 59/1 last night....

[The Tank]

If he wins today, he's beat the Timeform highest rated juvenile hurdler in Iceo. If Iceo finishes second, I don't think the handicapper is going to give PP a mark that would be of use in the Boodles. Owner would be better off sending 2 to the Triumph if PP wins today as it would be both horses best chance at winning at Cheltenham.

Spose every owner is different, and not au fait with how PP owners operate really, but would they really send 2 horses of the top 3 in the betting to the same race? Not many owners would, would they? More likely one of them saved for a big race elsewhere in Ireland?

[The Tank]

Iceo today and Pied Piper Boodles was 59/1 last night....

Hmmmmm. Hard to judge PP on one hurdle run, especially after Gordon said something post race along the lines of "we havenet done a scrap of work with him, he's just rocked up on won pretty cold".

Guess i need to make a decision on who i fancy today and go from there. Boooo! Can't i just sit on the PP fence a bit longer?

[DenmanSacre]

Spose every owner is different, and not au fait with how PP owners operate really, but would they really send 2 horses of the top 3 in the betting to the same race? Not many owners would, would they? More likely one of them saved for a big race elsewhere in Ireland?

Not sure about the owner but if PP wins today, he's going to be top weight in the Boodles. The British handicapper has IMO been quite leniant with the marks given to the juveniles this year in Britain and the WPM favourite looks well in based on French form. The Triumph may be an easier race to win compared to top weight in the Boodles this year.

You also neeed to make hay while the sun shines with the juveniles as the majority of them struggle the following year.

After Cheltenham, there's the G2 at Fairyhouse and the G1s at Aintree and Punchestown. I can't think of any other races a Triumph type horse would be aimed out. They are spaced out enough to take 2 of them in after Cheltenham so no need to skip Cheltenham IMO.